Brigit Franek...Penn State?

Robert Gary coaching the women would be a very very recent development as he has not been doing so as long as anyone in Ohio knows.

I realize that the OHSAA is fairly inept with regard to records-hell, Alan Scharsu's 2 mile is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else that has been run in Ohio yet, it's like it didn't happen. I would be happy if they would recognize both the 1600/3200 as well as the Mile/2 mile records. That would be about the fairest way to go about it since the current athletes have far fewer chances at the mile and 2 mile records. About the only chances they get are at the end of season meets.

Robert Gary coaching the women would be a very very recent development as he has not been doing so as long as anyone in Ohio knows.

I realize that the OHSAA is fairly inept with regard to records-hell, Alan Scharsu's 2 mile is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else that has been run in Ohio yet, it's like it didn't happen. I would be happy if they would recognize both the 1600/3200 as well as the Mile/2 mile records. That would be about the fairest way to go about it since the current athletes have far fewer chances at the mile and 2 mile records. About the only chances they get are at the end of season meets.

Oh and Jesse, everyone gets that you think you are funny, but, in reality, it's not a joke and you are a pathetic ass clown.

Yes..... wrote:

Robert Gary coaching the women would be a very very recent development as he has not been doing so as long as anyone in Ohio knows.

That would be about the fairest way to go about it since the current athletes have far fewer chances at the mile and 2 mile records. About the only chances they get are at the end of season meets.

This fall for Gary.

Current athletes have fewer chances, but when the impirical is farther AND faster there is little to debate.

Why on earth would she choose Penn State???? Mich., OSU, Ill., Mich St..... on and on.. have better programs and better coaches. Look for her to fizzle.

This is about Franek, but Scharsu's 2 mile time is about 5 seconds faster than any other Ohio high school runners best equivilant 3200. 8:44.0 is about an 8:41.6 3200, basically.

The next best marks by others are 5 seconds slower.

You can't just ignore history just because yards are not run any more. Someone is going to eventually break Pittman's 25 year old 3200 record and then claim the state record and that's not right unless they go 8:41.5 or better.

So she can get out of Ohio and still be in the Big 10.

Surprised she didn't go to Wisconsin.

Didn't Scharsu and Zishka go to Penn State?

Tyrone Shoelaces wrote:

The next best marks by others are 5 seconds slower.

You can't just ignore history just because yards are not run any more. Someone is going to eventually break Pittman's 25 year old 3200 record and then claim the state record and that's not right unless they go 8:41.5 or better.

Someone in Ohio (OHSAA possibly) claimed a race at Arcadia a few years ago, maybe Chris Kollar's 8:57, was the 3200 meter state record due to all these technicalities. I was coaching and saw Pittman's run and neither he, nor his coach, even remotely thought it was a record due to Sharsu's race.

Just for the record, when did Franek run 4:43 as one of the first poster's claimed? She ran a high 4:45 at state for 1600 so still a ways to go to be compared to the 4:44 full mile. I agree that it looks as though she should have a real shot at it this spring.

Scharsu and Zishka did go to Penn State, but Zishka transferred to Oregon.

To answer the question, Bridget hasn't gone 4:43 for 1600 yet. Her mile pr is 4:49. I would guess that her decision has as much to do with academics as athletics. And that statement is not meant to demean any other school.

To correct you all Chad Myers IS hand Has been head coach for the girls team at ohio state now from two or 3 years. I know him personally and when i talked to him a week ago he still is coach.

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To correct you all Chad Myers IS hand Has been head coach for the girls team at ohio state now from two or 3 years. I know him personally and when i talked to him a week ago he still is coach.

Not that it matters, but since you titled things dumb ass, I'll respond. I know all parties involved. For the first time, this fall, Gary wrote ALL workouts and even ran with the women much of the time. Myers, whose title has always been Gary's assistant, but has actually coached the women. Myers was also very involved but primarily implemented the workouts at times, helped with recruiting, and served the true role of assistant. There is no shame whatsoever in this role, but Gary took a lead and active role this fall with the women.

Gary has taken on training the women; Coach Myers handles recruiting and runs with them pretty regularly. It is a good set-up and they should improve.

Regarding Franek, I am shocked she didn't end up at Michigan. With their mid-distance success and all the training partners she would have (Lindsey Gallo too), it looked like a perfect fit!

I do not care where she goes to college. I congratulate her on her success so far and wish her good luck in the future.

To clear some things up, here are the all-time Ohio HS lists.

Girls

1600 meters ( * = mile time X 99.42%)

4:41.9* Ann Henderson Broadview Hts. Brecksville 1978

4:45.4* Maggie Infield Clev. Hts. Beaumont 2004

4:45.68 Bridget Franek Matua Crestwood 2005

4:47.9* Darcy Tomlinson Sherwood Fairview 1978

4:48.20 Sunni Olding Minster 2004

4:48.59 Laurie Gomez Yng. Boardman 1988

4:50.34 Kristy Orre Clayton Northmont 1985

4:50.4 Katie Radkewich Clev. Hts. Beaumont 1996

4:50.68 Kristin Jumer Centerville 1999

4:51.3 Connie Jo Robinson Reading 1982

4:51.5* Marie Kastrup Kettering Striders TC 1976

4:51.96 Michelle Sykes Lakewood 2002

4:53.55 Kim Betz Cin. Turpin 1986

4:53.56 Jenny Morgan Barnesville 2004

4:53.82 Emily Halm Massilon Jackson 2000

4:53.89 Lindsay Zinn Lakota East 2001

4:53.92 Nicole LaSelle Dayt. Chaminade-Julienne 1996

4:54.12 Lauren Clark Dublin Coffman 1998

4:54.23 Amy McKinley Amherst Steele 1993

4:54.34 Michelle Kalikin Olmsted Falls 1985

4:54.3* Brenda Webb Kettering Striders TC 1971

4:54.8* Shannon Cline Upper Arlington 1979

4:55.2 Maureen Ferris Rocky River Magnificat 1993

4:55.29 Misty Allison Chillicothe 1989

4:55.64 Patty Metzler N. Jackson Jackson-Milton 1983

3200 meters (* = 2 mile time X 99.42%)

10:10.4* Ann Henderson Broadview Hts. Brecksville 1979

10:17.33 Katy Radkewich Clev. Hts. Beaumont 1996

10:19.9 Kristy Orre Clayton Northmont 1985

10:20.6* Sunni Olding Minster 2004

10:24.8* Laura Craven Col. Beechcroft 1981

10:25.0 Bridget Franek Mantua Crestwood 2004

10:27.6* Jenny Morgan Barnesville 2003

10:28.8 Laurie Gomez Yng. Boardman 1988

10:30.1* Brenda Webb Kettering Striders TC 1973

10:32.0 Nicole LaSelle Dayt. Chamindae-Julienne 1996

10:32.91 Jackie Conrad Marysville 1996

10:33.0* Mary Jean Wright Easy Striders TC 1979

10:35.0* Michelle Sykes Lakewood 2002

10:37.6 Lindsi Gay Reynoldsburg 1999

10:38.71 Kim Haluscak Olmsted Falls 1988

10:39.44 Kris Roth Celina 2001

10:39.45 Laurie Sturgell Clev. Hts. Beaumont 1996

10:41.92 Emily Hood Thomas Worthington 1993

10:42.5 Amy McKinley Amherst Steele 1993

10:44.07 Angela Bizzari Mason 2004

10:44.53 Karen Rayle Oxford Talawanda 1986

10:44.85 Dawn Wallace Galloway Westland 1986

10:45.59 Anne Densmore Elyria 1985

10:45.66 Pam Kerth Cin. McAuley 1984

10:46.68 Sarah Leeper Loveland 2004

Boys

1600 meters ( * = mile time X 99.42%)

4:02.4* John Zishka Lancaster 1980

4:04.5* Ron Addison Clev. Rhodes 1972

4:05.13 Bob Kennedy Westerville North 1988

4:04.6* Jeff See Middletown 2003

4:06.0* Mason Ward unattached (Cincinatti) 2000

4:07.1* Reggie McAfee Cin. Courter Tech 1969

4:07.1* Darrell Hughes Galloway Westland 1991

4:07.7 Mike Hallabrin Mans. Malabar 1980

4:08.03 Scott Fry Sandusky Perkins 1985

4:08.2* Alan Scharsu Yng. Austintown-Fitch 1978

4:08.4* Tom Rapp Trotwood-Madison 1977

4:08.6* Todd Saul Clayton Northmont 1981

4:08.70 Jesse Rodenbaugh Oxford Talawanda 2001

4:09.10 Rob Myers Lancaster Fairfield Union 1999

4:09.54 Christian Nichols Hilliard Davidson 2003

4:10.06 Jerry Claunch Liberty Twp Lakota East 2000

4:10.14 Doug Bockenstette Cin. LaSalle 1994

4:10.6* Chris Kollar Strongsville 2003

4:10.78 Mark Croghan Greensburg Green 1986

4:11.32 Kevin Sheward Cant. McKinley 1985

4:11.34 Dean Monske Tol. DeVilbiss 1982

4:11.46 Jason Mueller Shelby 1999

4:11.49 Steve Padgett Cin. LaSalle 2000

4:11.79 Jim Hedrick West Chester Lakota 1985

4:11.89 Rollie Hudson Cleveland Heights 1984

3200 meters (* = 2 mile time X 99.42%)

8:41.0* Alan Scharsu Yng. Austintown-Fitch 1978

8:46.3 Ricky Pittman Clev. East Tech 1980

8:46.7 Scott Fry Sandusky Perkins 1985

8:49.1 John Zishka Lancaster 1980

8:54.90 Steve Padgett unattached (Cincinatti) 2000

8:55.3* Bob Bentz Lisbon Beaver 1972

8:56.2* Pete Kummant Amherst Steele 1975

8:56.35 Chris Kollar Strongsville 2003

8:57.5* George Nicholas Dayt. Meadowdale 1981

8:58.5* Les Nagy Niles McKinley 1970

8:59.1* Tom Rapp Trotwood-Madison 1977

8:59.9* Bill Beaty Lancaster 1970

9:01.0* Jeremy White Dublin 1993

9:01.2* Andy Smith Hudson 2000

9:02.2* Jason Mueller Shelby 1999

9:03.25 Doug Bockenstette Cin. LaSalle 1994

9:03.61 Wesley Smith Hudson 2003

9:03.6* Ron Addison Clev. Rhodes 1972

9:04.2* Glen Wilburn Amherst Steele 1972

9:04.6* Dean Fulmer Cin. LaSalle 1995

9:05.33 Allen Bader Cin. LaSalle 2002

9:06.0* Jay Anstaett Upper Arlington 1974

9:06.20 Dan Franek Chagrin Falls Kenston 1984

9:06.84 John Ealy Reynoldsburg 2004

9:09.06 Andy Herr Berea 1983

The OHSAA's requirements for official records are a bit stringent, and I understand that a state association is going to be that way. Still, if Ann Henderson ran faster than the 3200m record while going further than 3200m and did it in OHSAA competition, somebody down there in Columbus just doesn't get it.

Nice list and for the most part accurate. Everyone and their brother knows that the 10:25 you have listed for Bridget was a misprint by the local papers.

Also, you neglected to list See's mile at the NON this year in adjusted form. That would most likely adjust down to #2 all time.

Nice work Jesse! Do mixed gender races qualify? In a 1976 freshman-only track meet in Marion, Upper Arlington's Shannon Cline ran 4:53+ for a full mile. Not to be outdone, her teammate, Sandy Hoffman ran 4:51+ in the same race. I remember them being 4th/5th or 5th/6th, but could have the places wrong.

Also do non-OHSAA races qualify? Kathy Bryant started at Watterson, but ran AAU her final year or two of HS instead of on the high school team and ran some times that would make the list. There were a few others in the same boat although the only mile/2 mile that comes to mind immediately is Laura Craven & possibly sister Carrie.

Academics? As the poster said, Mich, ND,Gtown, Duke, or better yet, Stanford or an Ivy League. She could have done much better in that area. Lets hope she can break tradition and run well all four years. She has her work cut out for her.

I am not sure who is coaching the women....but what happened to them at Districts. They finished second in the All Ohio and a month later two other teams from Ohio beat them at the Districts?

It seems to me who ever is the coach, they did not do a good job this year as the team went downhill at the end of the season (Big Ten and Distrcits)!!

Their number one girl was out or did not finish at regionals and a tough freshman who has been running anywhere from third to sixth on the team either did not run or did not finish. The freshman seemed to fade towards the end of the season. I don't know any details, but when you lose your number one and then another runner out of your top five it tends to sink any team. Then you couple that with OSU not being very deep anyway then the there is your explanation.