I agree with sprintgeezer. Tight end with good hands hard to take down even with 2 or 3 wouldbe tacklers. Very important weapon on a good team. Straightline speed doesnt always transfer to mobility on the field against top athletes not normal hs kids. Yes, he will gain mass and lose speed on a fb team.
He'd have to get up to 250lbs to be a tight end and potentially block some much heavier dudes. He should stick to being a WR and trying to become the next Megatron (assuming he doesn't want to go the DE route).
I agree with this. If he’s a good route runner and has reasonable lateral quickness and agility, I would keep him at WR.
Tight Ends need to be able to block well to stay on the field on running downs, and have to block linebackers at that. TEs are typically 30-50 pounds heavier than Harbor is now, so he’d have to pack on weight, and probable lose speed. As a WR, imagine Harbor being assigned to block 190lb cornerbacks and free safeties. He’d be pancaking them! WRs take less big hits than tight ends, and on average get bigger contracts than TEs.
All that being said, he would also project as a very good DE, given his measurables. But DEs are more about explosive power, and Harbor obviously has both explosive power and top end speed. DEs get beat up alot more than WRs.
Actually, it’s pretty crazy that we’re even talking about a prospect that could be either a WR or Edge Rusher.
So, say this is an honest 10.50, that’s excellent. Shades of Dick Metcalf. Like I said, football all the way. He will likely get bigger and probably slower from here on, but he should be able to crank some great relay legs for whatever college he’s at.
DB might be the right position for him…or TE if he has hands and gets even bigger. For WR I’ll take a lighter guy any day, like Rice or Moss. Seems to me like it would be pretty easy to get offensive pass interference calls against this guy as a WR, just do some soccer flopping😂
I had a friend just like that: 6-6, 235-245, he did some track but went into boxing as a heavyweight. When I was around 10.5-10.7, he was really close. Nigerian guy, great athlete. Should have done deca. No real fighting career, got into it too late. One of the best athletes I have ever known, this guy reminds me of him. Today he would be nfl, 100%.
Super pumped he's only going to a school that let's him do track and football. The ego maniac football coaches that don't let kids do a second sport need to be canned.
I just read your post. I assume you understand why football coaches would not want to share a talented athlete. College football coaches used to have so many players, if a 3rd or 4th string TE wanted to throw javelin, decades ago when football had 120 guys, football coaches were generous. Look at it from another perspective. If you had a male, 1:48 800m out of high school who also was a sub-1:50 200m freestyle swimmer, would you be okay allowing him to skip XC and indoor T&F to swim if you as the T&F coach are giving him a full ride?
6'5" guys can play qb, line, linebacker, tight end or wide receiver. To gain 25-30 lbs in college is nothing for a football program. So, tight end would be easily doable. However, there's more money and glamor at wr. With his incredible speed, that's very likely his future. Any football guy would know you can't convert 6'5" guys to db because they're not maneuverable enough.
Good speed for a big guy, but nothing special for a WR, nothing.....incredible.
6.64 in the final. To be fair, that is pretty fast for anyone and, I suspect, faster than the majority of WRs could run.
Guess it comes down to what you consider .....incredible......to be. Nothing about this guy is incredible in my opinion. Hershel Waker was 225 pounds ran 10.23, that's far more incredible.
Tons of speedy WR's out there. Hell Olympians. By the way I have a thread here talking abot this guy. long before this one so he got my attention.
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6.64 in the final. To be fair, that is pretty fast for anyone and, I suspect, faster than the majority of WRs could run.
Guess it comes down to what you consider .....incredible......to be. Nothing about this guy is incredible in my opinion. Hershel Waker was 225 pounds ran 10.23, that's far more incredible.
Nyckoles ran 10.22 last year as a junior. He’s listed at 225 lbs
6.64 in the final. To be fair, that is pretty fast for anyone and, I suspect, faster than the majority of WRs could run.
Guess it comes down to what you consider .....incredible......to be. Nothing about this guy is incredible in my opinion. Hershel Waker was 225 pounds ran 10.23, that's far more incredible.
Tons of speedy WR's out there. Hell Olympians. By the way I have a thread here talking abot this guy. long before this one so he got my attention.
This guy ran 10.22 into a headwind. At 17. Seems far more incredible to me.
He is going to be as fast as anyone on the football field. If he is as quick with cuts and the like is far more important.
Guess it comes down to what you consider .....incredible......to be. Nothing about this guy is incredible in my opinion. Hershel Waker was 225 pounds ran 10.23, that's far more incredible.
Nyckoles ran 10.22 last year as a junior. He’s listed at 225 lbs
Walker ran 10.23 how many years ago?
Like I mentioned I posted a thread about this kid long ago, yes he's impressive. I just save that word "incredible" for stuff like Tommie Smith 19.5, MJ 19.32, Bolt's career.
Nyckoles ran 10.22 last year as a junior. He’s listed at 225 lbs
Walker ran 10.23 how many years ago?
Like I mentioned I posted a thread about this kid long ago, yes he's impressive. I just save that word "incredible" for stuff like Tommie Smith 19.5, MJ 19.32, Bolt's career.
I was at the West Coast Relays when the PA guy comes on..........this from the Florida State high school track Championships. Baker's junior sprinter Houston McTear just ran a 9....................FLAT
Nyckoles ran 10.22 last year as a junior. He’s listed at 225 lbs
Walker ran 10.23 how many years ago?
Like I mentioned I posted a thread about this kid long ago, yes he's impressive. I just save that word "incredible" for stuff like Tommie Smith 19.5, MJ 19.32, Bolt's career.
Hahaha humans have a lot of pride and we can’t ever just say “I was wrong”.
You mentioned Walker running 10.23 (as a career best) at 225lb and said “that’s far more incredible”. You literally said incredible. But it turns out this High School athlete (as a Junior) who weighed the same weight ran faster. Walker didn’t run on a dirt track in flip flops in 1982 so give me a break. Despite marketing schemes, shoe technology in sprinting is making very little- if any- difference vs the 80s. The marathon (where a shoe that can absorb more impact is highly advantageous) is completely different. Plus I’ve always read on these boards that people from the 80s were much tougher and trained harder anyways- so by Let’s Run Old Folks standards a 10.23 in the 80s is less impressive than these “soft” kids doing it nowadays.
As young people nowadays say: “Take the ‘L’ and move on”.
The kid goes to Archbishop Carroll High School, part of the wider DC catholic league. This league is one of the tops in the country for football, basketball, and sometimes produces some top track talent. Other big schools in the league include Gonzaga, Paul VI, St. John’s, DeMatha, etc. All of these top programs play football and basketball national schedules. St. John’s played a basketball tournament early in the season in Hawaii!
Great league, coaching, and top talent, with many ending up as professional players.
Like I mentioned I posted a thread about this kid long ago, yes he's impressive. I just save that word "incredible" for stuff like Tommie Smith 19.5, MJ 19.32, Bolt's career.
Hahaha humans have a lot of pride and we can’t ever just say “I was wrong”.
You mentioned Walker running 10.23 (as a career best) at 225lb and said “that’s far more incredible”. You literally said incredible. But it turns out this High School athlete (as a Junior) who weighed the same weight ran faster. Walker didn’t run on a dirt track in flip flops in 1982 so give me a break. Despite marketing schemes, shoe technology in sprinting is making very little- if any- difference vs the 80s. The marathon (where a shoe that can absorb more impact is highly advantageous) is completely different. Plus I’ve always read on these boards that people from the 80s were much tougher and trained harder anyways- so by Let’s Run Old Folks standards a 10.23 in the 80s is less impressive than these “soft” kids doing it nowadays.
As young people nowadays say: “Take the ‘L’ and move on”.
Not sure you get the Walker story, here is a 225 pound running back taking 5th at our USA Nationals at 100m in 81, in 82 he takes 7th at the NCAA's, also wins a Heisman. If we are talking a footballer/trackster that does trump what we have seen from this kid, Ah....in my opinion.
That word incredible, hmmmm?
1928 high school kid Frank Lombardi jumps the gun in the Cali State Champs 100 yard dash, so he has to move back a yard, yep, the rule back then. At the gun he is gone, he woud be timed in 9.6 which tied the the then world record, yep 101 yards. That is incredible. Also in that race was Frank Wykoff who would run the first legal 9.4 a few yeas later, Lombardi.....poof!!!!
What Knighton is doing is incredible.
Like I mentioned what McTear did was incredible.
Bolts career is incredible.
Big kid running some fast times isn't incredible in my sprint world.