Rojo's disappointing language about trans athletes

Running for Justice wrote:

Yankee Candle wrote:

God people are stupid (not offensive Bc Rojo says this all the time)

Instead of Rojo conceding AT ALL, he instead doubles down on his ignorant and hateful rhetoric.

Rojo! While we all you know you spend your times watching and reading Fox News, are a message board administrator of a running website. You ARE NOT a political pundit.

Time to grow up, sonny boy

+1

Turn off the Fox News, people!

+1 why do the brojos always double down on takes that accurately call them out/bring attention to something harmful they are saying/promoting?

This topic is becoming particularly troublesome on here because the website has a clear stance/bias & then gets to be the one to moderate conversations on it. After great performances in Houston over the weekend, the two "articles" at the top of the home page were anti-trans ones. One of the "articles" was from a right leaning publication. There were no counter-viewpoints represented so if you're coming here you're getting a slanted view on the topic. That's not great. It's getting tiresome to have to try to correct information on here & make sure that topics are viewed fairly/equally.

The website promoting harmful takes cannot be the one training/hiring people to moderate these boards. This place needs some accountability.

You are such a decent tolerant person. Why so angry and bitter? More people are starting to wake up to the liberal clown show infecting our country. The pendulum will swing back soon.

GORP wrote:

Yankee Candle wrote:

God people are stupid (not offensive Bc Rojo says this all the time)

Instead of Rojo conceding AT ALL, he instead doubles down on his ignorant and hateful rhetoric.

Rojo! While we all you know you spend your times watching and reading Fox News, are a message board administrator of a running website. You ARE NOT a political pundit.

Time to grow up, sonny boy

Instead of trying to flame Rojo, why don't you address his points, like he did to the OP? It doesn't add much to the discussion if you just say that Rojo is an idiot and leave it at that.

Were you born yesterday? If you address his points he just says that you’re wrong and he’s right. It’s a waste of time

If you dislike the website so much then get off of it. Pretty simple. Normal decent america has to put up with the wacky leftists infecting our education system, media and now destroying our military. It appears to be correcting but if it doesn’t then our country will not exist in 50 years. This downward spiral is unsustainable.

pyles gomer wrote:

Correct! Treat their illness but don’t allow them to take over sport. Such a joke.

Amazing about the Fox News comments. Yes, keep doubling down on stupidity ignorance and anti science. Blane it on Fox News instead of calling it the mental illness that it is.

The negative comments about Fox News all boil down to fear. Fear of common sense. Fear of the MSM lies and narrative being outed. Fear of America reversing the current insanity. Libs that support these ultra fringe causes can’t stand the media monopoly being challenged.

I'm also incredibly disappointed with Robert's rhetoric on this issue. He has platform by being in charge of this mess of a site, and uses it to spout off opinions on things that he is not qualified on or an expert in.

Rojo -- you constantly use disrespectful language. Trans women ARE women. To say otherwise is disrespectful, dehumanizing, and shows your ignorance when it comes to gender identity.

Also, to say Thomas is "bringing this on herself" is just a cruel and unnecessary attack. She is just a person who is competing within the rules by all the pertinent governing bodies. If you have issue with that, address it towards the rules, don't use a college kid as your right-wing punching bag.

I actually think there should be testosterone limits in place for trans athletes. You also have shown ignorance in other threads stating "the limit should be zero for women's sports!". Rojo, biological females naturally produce testosterone.

pyles gomer wrote:

Never ever explain anything to the clown show that is a modern American liberal. They are freakin crazy and deserve neither time nor attention.

100% true. They have no capacity for critical thinking, logic or reason. They run purely on emotions.

At the end of the day it is emotional blackmail that fuels narcissism. No is allowed to criticize, yet the insistance that a biological male gets to compete against women in sports or encroach on women's spaces just to satisfy their ego or sense of self, conseuqnces and anyone else be damned, is clearly deserving of criticism.

Exactly - an understanding you just won’t really find here.

Appears that way. Now uses this board as a platform to promote such views and beliefs with no room for civil debate. There is only room for shi tting and vomiting all over one another. Anyone know of another, healthier message board out there that promotes real inclusion and open mindedness?

Unsure why you would be disappointed, this is exactly who he is: incurious and psychologically stunted by insulating wealth and smothering upbringing. There's also possible psychological disorder at play.

rojo wrote:

They just wanted the same rights every other human has. Guess what? Lia Thomas and all trans athletes already had that. Lia Thomas has a whole category of sports she can compete in, it's just not the one created for biolgical females.

The last time I checked gay rights movement had nothing to do with elite level sports. Gays gaining the right to sleep with whomever they want and get married and visit each other in the hospital doesn't negatively impact anyone else. They were just gaining the same rights that others have.

There is no human right to be an elite level athlete.

This is just standard anti-LGBT rhetoric, nothing new and very common. Guess what, there's no human right to be married either but that didn't stop us successfully instituting gay marriage. Around 2008 you would hear people try argue gay men already had the same rights as every other human because.... they could marry women. Therefore nobody was being treated unfairly by gay couples being denied the legal protection, dignity and respect of being recognized as married. Lesbians can marry men therefore it's already equal!

ADeanW1088 wrote:

Appears that way. Now uses this board as a platform to promote such views and beliefs with no room for civil debate. There is only room for shi tting and vomiting all over one another. Anyone know of another, healthier message board out there that promotes real inclusion and open mindedness?

I prefer excluding people like you.

2:18 at the casino... wrote:

I think Bob presented his case right on the spot and I agree with his point. 👍

i basically agree with the above quote.

i have one point.

i both swam and coached swimming way back when men mostly wore "speedos" . no body suits.

some of us found it amusing to occassionaly put on womens suits and do vicious sets.

when some of the high school boys i was coaching decided they were going to race in one meet in womens one piece granny-ish suits, the referee informed them that if they do so they will be disqualified.

they were racing in male avents. and identify as male.

i believe the referee was wrong on this point. and that if i want to race in water ballet flower caps that that is my right. etc.

so, what if the trans "woman" agrees to race in male races. where "she" belongs. but wants to wear the womens suit that "she" possibly feels more comfortable wearing. could "she" wear any suit that basically covered her butt at least as well as the current convention of womens suits? i am conceeding that we might not be allowed to race like a person from the film jackass in a jock strap with butt crack fully exposed. but, I am pointing out that the trans woman may have a problem with some refs, should she go into the male races where she belongs, even if she just wears a womans suit....

also i'm confused why the woman runner was allowed in the 800 in the olympics . isnt that a bigger issue than what has happened in swimming so far. and i actually do hope for a day of a womans basketball team being all trans and kicking ass, just because i think it would likely be enough to wake up the changes necessary to get the biological men out of womens sports. but really encourage them to go out as trans and kick ass against male teams where they belong.... also . are there biological men with low enough natural testosterone that they should be allowed to race as women?

Soccer T's wrote:

streak wrote:

They are in fact 'bringing it' (it being criticism? hardly unreasonable) on themselves by being male and forcing themselves in spaces for females.

and why do you think they might do that?

It's obviously bringing on lots of criticism and stress on themselves. One has to think the thrill of victory is definitely significant;y diminished under these conditions. At this level, monetary gains are a non-factor.

Then why?

I'd be interested to hear your theory.

If someone so definitively identifies with another gender so as to transition to it, it stands to reason that if they feel more comfortable as themselve within that gender, they would feel more, not less, at home competing within that gender.

Lia Thomas has no guilt for having genetic male advantages in a women's sport, because she believes she's a woman, and belongs in women's sports. It's why she's competing there. And she believes he unique combination of geneticism and gender identification are appropriate for competing and winning.

If she felt any guilt, she wouldn't be entering races.

Twin Twits wrote:

Unsure why you would be disappointed, this is exactly who Rojo is: incurious and psychologically stunted by insulating wealth and smothering upbringing. There's also possible psychological disorder at play.

+1

100% this

zoolll wrote:

i both swam and coached swimming way back when men mostly wore "speedos" . no body suits.

some of us found it amusing to occassionaly put on womens suits and do vicious sets.

when some of the high school boys i was coaching decided they were going to race in one meet in womens one piece granny-ish suits, the referee informed them that if they do so they will be disqualified.

they were racing in male avents. and identify as male.

i believe the referee was wrong on this point. and that if i want to race in water ballet flower caps that that is my right. etc.

"Men’s swimsuits shall not extend above the navel or below the knee. Women’s swimsuits shall

not cover the neck or extend past the shoulders, or below the knee." (4.1.1 on page 7.)

Yes I think wrote:

Rojo -- you constantly use disrespectful language. Trans women ARE women. To say otherwise is disrespectful, dehumanizing, and shows your ignorance when it comes to gender identity.

Gender identity is relative, not fixed, and there is room for debate. Competition at the elite level is separated by sex. Remember, gender and sex aren't the same thing. Identifying one way or another doesn't overcome the physical reasons that sexes were separated in competition in the first place. This really is a basic concept.

I agree with Rojo’s well articulated points on this subject. There is nothing hateful or condescending about it.

Show some reasons why Rojo is wrong? Or at least why you disagree with his stance. I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer here. It’s a bit paradoxical, you either deny Lia the ability to play in female D1 or you may make not have a level playing field by allowing Lia and other transgender women to play female sports which may affect many more female athletes.

It really won’t be an issue until a team becomes stacked with 4-5 transgender women or even 1 that dominates and breaks every single NCAA female record.