How do states actually rank XC teams? (Ohio)

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2 years ago 01/13/2022 2:22pm EST

https://www.chagrinvalleyconference.com/cvc-teams-run-into-rankings/

I know this is Ohio, but it could be any state. Ohio has the Ohio Association of Track and Cross Country Coaches, but does anyone here actually know how they rank teams, or is it mainly guesswork?

My alma mater was 26th in the state coming into the season, but they managed to make it out of a tough Boardman regional and advance to state for the first time in team history. Historically, they'd get individuals to state but never as a team. The boys advanced as a team but the girls advanced one runner this year.

Edgewood’s girls’ team was ranked No. 17 in Division II, Perry was tied for 24th, and Hawken came in tied for 25th. West Geauga was tied for 26th.

The Division II boys rankings have Hawken at No. 11, Chagrin Falls tied for 25th, and West Geauga at No. 26.

They didn't place high at state but are returning two guys. The average finish was 17:15 and the average mile was 5:30. The five-man gap was 0:59; we've been a good pack team since the 1990s but have never been able to get out of Boardman (Div. II) as a team until 2021.

https://www.finishtimingresults.com/2021/11-06-OHSAA/div-2-boys.pdf

2 years ago 01/13/2022 3:44pm EST

re: jecht

Believe it is an OSHAA coaches vote. Its not scientific at all.

(At least back in the day)

2 years ago 01/13/2022 3:59pm EST

re: jecht

It is done by the coach's association, OATCCC (Ohio Association of Track & Cross Country Coaches).

This is not sanctioned or conducted by OHSAA (Ohio High School Athletic Association) in any way. It is done by the coaches association to increase interest in the sport, allow those ranked to use it in the local newspaper, etc.

They get informed and motivated members (coaches) to vote and when there is a shortage of these they find some that will do it, highly motivated or not. They typically get representatives for various areas of the state and differing divisions (I, II, and III).

There are 240 possible points. I 'think' there are 12 people voting. 20 points go to who they vote #1, 19 for #2,.... I could be mistaken on the specifics.

They obviously look at as many meet results as possible and probably communicate with each other along the way. Overall, they do a pretty good job considering the only purpose is to drum up interest in the sport.

2 years ago 01/13/2022 4:03pm EST

re: ohio guy

ohio guy wrote:
It is done by the coach's association, OATCCC (Ohio Association of Track & Cross Country Coaches).
This is not sanctioned or conducted by OHSAA (Ohio High School Athletic Association) in any way. It is done by the coaches association to increase interest in the sport, allow those ranked to use it in the local newspaper, etc.
They get informed and motivated members (coaches) to vote and when there is a shortage of these they find some that will do it, highly motivated or not. They typically get representatives for various areas of the state and differing divisions (I, II, and III).
There are 240 possible points. I 'think' there are 12 people voting. 20 points go to who they vote #1, 19 for #2,.... I could be mistaken on the specifics.
They obviously look at as many meet results as possible and probably communicate with each other along the way. Overall, they do a pretty good job considering the only purpose is to drum up interest in the sport.

Cool, thanks I had no idea! I know back in 1999-2000, when I ran, WG was ranked 15th, then fell off (I wasn't good; the varsity was very good that year). They got a new coach in 2002 and turned it around but never had the success at the state level until now. Now 19th at State is not great but it's better than most. To be the 19th-best team in D2 (out of several hundred D2 schools) is pretty awesome.

I appreciate you doing the breakdown, it sounds like there's a solid process and methodology here.

2 years ago 01/13/2022 8:29pm EST

re: jecht

It's easy in our small state of Rhode Island. The 40+ teams all compete against one another. There is only one state championship team.

2 years ago 01/13/2022 9:08pm EST

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I believe usually from best to worst.

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