Official Covid Vaccine thread

joed|rty wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

LOLLOL in the link it even says "during Delta surge."

prior infection sucks against Omicron, even 2 dose vaccine is better!

Stay current or get rekt.

Did you look at the charts in the actual study? Previous infection outperformed vaccination in both infections and hospitalizations during the delta surge.

Source also says, "One important limitation to the study was that it ended before administration of vaccine booster doses was widespread."

And, "vaccination remains the safest strategy against COVID-19, according to the report published in U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report."

Keep trying.

joed|rty wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

LOLLOL in the link it even says "during Delta surge."

prior infection sucks against Omicron, even 2 dose vaccine is better!

Stay current or get rekt.

Did you look at the charts in the actual study? Previous infection outperformed vaccination in both infections and hospitalizations during the delta surge.

This is not new data. Israel had this information almost 6 months ago. Thus far, it appears unusually Delta-specific.

Prior to the delta wave, the superiority of natural immunity was not clear. Now, during Omicron, it is DEFINITELY not clear (and quite possibly worse).

Things move fast folks. It's good to see this data from the CDC, but we need to be very clear that it doesn't apply to Omicron until we have evidence that it does.

gorgas george wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Some people on this thread could stand to google "excess deaths"

Some people on this thread could stand to google "civility".

Hilarious lack of self awareness. What about the legion of antivaxxers on here whose only response to people they don’t agree with has been to call them homophobic slurs and nefarious agents working for big pharma, not to mention a whole slew of other disgusting things? Antivaxxers are hilarious, and not in a good way

Harambe wrote:

Lol. I admitted that natural infection was likely more effect than the vaccine months ago when the first data from Delta emerged (Studies from Israel etc)

Before Delta and now especially during Omicron the superiority of natural immunity is not clear.

You all are so late with your data that you're not even right any more. The sad thing is, I used to agree with you on this point, we could have been friends, but you are so far behind the science that we've all moved on already!

To your credit, I remember, a while ago, that you stated that the durability of natural infection against Covid was promising. As far as pro vaxxers go, you were in the minority for saying that out loud.

But, I certainly disagree with your statement of "we've all moved on already". Certainly you all haven't moved on. The NCAA came out with a policy just last week that said natural immunity is good for 90 days.

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That is currently where the party line and current policy is stuck. We all have known that natural immunity is better than 90 days for over the past 18 months but the pro vaxxers didn't want that promising information to deter from the goal of 100% vaccination.

Every vaccine policy has clung to this arbitrary "90 day" mantra since March of 2020.

When Hocker was presumed to have natural immunity prior to the Olympics the pro vaxxers still asserted that he was putting people's lives at risk. That is not moving on.

41% of Democrats polled believe that HALF OF ALL covid infections lead to hospitalizations.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/

The real number is 1-5%...

This brainwashing, of course, is the reason so many Dems support draconian punishments for the 'unvaccinated' even as they themselves continue to get jabbed, all the while still getting infected, still getting hospitalized and still spreading the virus.

"Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications"

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_against_unvaccinated

Obviously many Dems are mentally ill and easily programmed (ie, 'useful idiots'). The question is, what do we do with them? These people are vocal and hysterical and pose a very real threat to society. Should we open more psychiatric hospitals?

My wife’s PCP is telling her she should have immunity for 90 days as a rule of thumb post infection. Double Pfizer jabs here. Seems like a lot of online epidemiologists are saying get boosted as soon as your not having symptoms which doesn’t make much sense to me logically. I’ll take my PCPs guidance on this one.

vaxman wrote:

joed|rty wrote:

Did you look at the charts in the actual study? Previous infection outperformed vaccination in both infections and hospitalizations during the delta surge.

Source also says, "One important limitation to the study was that it ended before administration of vaccine booster doses was widespread."

And, "vaccination remains the safest strategy against COVID-19, according to the report published in U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report."

Keep trying.

There's compelling evidence in this Kaiser study from late December:

Vaccination is the safest strategy for the seronaive. What these studies establish is that vaccinated individuals do not have any measurable advantage over the previously infected when it comes to infections and hospitalizations (even though they may have higher antibody levels, antibody studies do not look at t-cells, as it is cost prohibitive).

Rick Cheney wrote:

My wife’s PCP is telling her she should have immunity for 90 days as a rule of thumb post infection. Double Pfizer jabs here. Seems like a lot of online epidemiologists are saying get boosted as soon as your not having symptoms which doesn’t make much sense to me logically. I’ll take my PCPs guidance on this one.

Your PCP’s recommendations make sense to me. Honestly, I would think that vaccination less than a month after infection would likely produce a less robust immune benefit. Do you have links to any of these people? I saw someone online referring to the CDC making the recommendation of vaccinating once symptoms are gone, but I did not actually see that on the CDC site, and I looked.

Early on you were not supposed to get vaccinated less than a month after infection. I would hope that that is still true

Hey carmine9, I know your other posts on this got deleted, but you care to acknowledge how much of an idiot you are now?

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-375604933046

hopping on this train from a different device wrote:

Hey carmine9, I know your other posts on this got deleted, but you care to acknowledge how much of an idiot you are now?

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-375604933046

Believe the propaganda -- or your own eyes.

Jefe in the CO wrote:

But, I certainly disagree with your statement of "we've all moved on already". Certainly you all haven't moved on. The NCAA came out with a policy just last week that said natural immunity is good for 90 days.

That is currently where the party line and current policy is stuck. We all have known that natural immunity is better than 90 days for over the past 18 months but the pro vaxxers didn't want that promising information to deter from the goal of 100% vaccination.

Every vaccine policy has clung to this arbitrary "90 day" mantra since March of 2020.

When Hocker was presumed to have natural immunity prior to the Olympics the pro vaxxers still asserted that he was putting people's lives at risk. That is not moving on.

I think it's reasonable to think these polices are not totally justified... but I see two arguments for them

1) Natural immunity is variable both across the population and between strains. People generate a wide array of immune responses to infection -- partially correlated with severity of disease. Have a mild case, and there's a chance you didn't get amazing forward-looking immunity from it. Also, The remarkable efficacy we saw with Delta infections was new (didn't see it with earlier strains) and with Omicron there's no obvious reason to believe that immunity from infection will be more like Delta than other strains.

Some of this is simply that we have not devoted as much efforts to understanding infection-driven efficacy. There are a lot of papers looking at correlates of immune protection after infection (antibody titers, T cell responses, etc) but not nearly as many 'trials' or epidemiological studies similar to what we have for vaccine efficacy. Some of this is cost and difficulty, some of this is lack of interest (vaccine manufactures have a vested interested in running quality studies to show their product works).

2) Prior infection + vaccination is vastly superior to either form of immunity alone. We should encourage the 'lucky' subset of the population that has had prior COVID to get vaccinated for maximum population immunity. This is not strictly fair but.. life is not fair.

41% of Democrats think that HALF OF ALL covid19 infections lead to hospitalization!!

the real number is 1-5%...

https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/?fbclid=IwAR1GK89XGW1XVze8nGJmrD2hHf90zQaAYoi6ssf22oaw6sbAL4wRrX9uBJQ

Leftism is a mental disorder.

carmine9 wrote:

hopping on this train from a different device wrote:

Hey carmine9, I know your other posts on this got deleted, but you care to acknowledge how much of an idiot you are now?

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-375604933046

Believe the propaganda -- or your own eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRROVfKgnMs

Dude, why are you linking a match from January 2020? That's the opening day match between Vögele and Jakupović played Jan. 14th 2020. It's quite amazing that the vaccine can travel through time to before they existed and still harm people. It's then cut to a video from this year of players helping a ball girl.

Like, seriously, how stupid are you?

uhhhh.. wrote:

41% of Democrats think that HALF OF ALL covid19 infections lead to hospitalization!!

the real number is 1-5%...

https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/?fbclid=IwAR1GK89XGW1XVze8nGJmrD2hHf90zQaAYoi6ssf22oaw6sbAL4wRrX9uBJQ

Leftism is a mental disorder.

Fear is used to get people to believe these crazy things

Seems the actual Covid deaths have been drastically overstated all along.

No surprise to many of us.

Thanks for FOIA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

hopping on this train from a different device wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

Believe the propaganda -- or your own eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRROVfKgnMs

Dude, why are you linking a match from January 2020? That's the opening day match between Vögele and Jakupović played Jan. 14th 2020. It's quite amazing that the vaccine can travel through time to before they existed and still harm people. It's then cut to a video from this year of players helping a ball girl.

Like, seriously, how stupid are you?

Anyone can watch the video and see the truth.

Australian Open 2022.

Here's more.

You may note it's the same as the video

I really don't understand why these pro vaxxers cannot accept the truth.

I noticed this even with YouTube or Facebook. Anything said that goes against the narrative will get flagged by FB (algorithms) and either hidden and/or the user put in FB jail. It's very creepy.