Official Covid Vaccine thread

The Omicron-specific VE calculations there use sequencing data or S-gene dropout from PCR testing. They are not just guessing who got Omicron - they are using actual data.

Astute that you seem to think "Omicron is immune evasive and a booster is strongly recommended" is a insightful argument this far into the Omicron wave.

Btw, the picture is even worse for natural immunity. Efficacy against hospitalization with Omicron is basically zero for someone who has recovered from COVID but not vaccinated (see table S3):

Basically vaccines work. If anything the data has gotten stronger since you started doomer-posting about Omicron (after thankfully shutting up for a month when your Delta predictions didn't pan out; still waiting for the mea culpa there).

Vax mob mafia, please answer. Why does a person become very ill from Covid-19 after 3 doses of "vaccine" ?

https://wvmetronews.com/2022/01/12/justice-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — Gov. Jim Justice’s case of covid-19 is serious, his chief of staff said today.

“He’s not doing well. He’s very ill. He continues to suffer, as I can hear through the phone, severe congestion. He still has elevated blood pressure. He’s uncomfortable,” Brian Abraham, the chief of staff, said today on MetroNews’ “Talkline.”

Justice is fully vaccinated, and he has received a booster dose. The Governor’s Office late Tuesday announced Justice opted to get tested after experiencing “the sudden onset of symptoms,” including congestion and coughing.

joed|rttyy wrote:

Noyankee wrote:

Incorrect. There is no such thing as severe infection unless you are obese or otherwise carting multiple comorbidities. It doesn’t exist like that so, obviously, the best and safest course of action is to get in shape for the overwhelming majority of people. Altering yourself to another species is simply insane.

Did you look at the numbers and the dates? 28-day day rates are not as meaningful as 3-day rates. If they were using three-day rates or seven-day rates, it would greatly impact the numbers. The reason they are not showing three-day rates is because it would not show the data they want to show. Additionally, numbers didn't start to shoot up in Washington state until recently (they had 51,880 confirmed cases on 01/10, compared to 10,273 on 01/06). Yet another example of a government entity providing skewed data in order to present a false narrative.

For instance, if I were to take 28-day data from Ontario, it would say that the vaccinated are 21% less likely to test positive for COVID, whereas if I look at the 7-day data, it would say that the vaccinated are 33% more likely to test positive for COVID. By including data from before there was Omicron in the analysis, it creates a false impression that vaccinated individuals are fairing better than they are in the present. As far as evaluating your own risk, the current data is most important.

DanM wrote:

Vax mob mafia, please answer. Why does a person become very ill from Covid-19 after 3 doses of "vaccine" ?

https://wvmetronews.com/2022/01/12/justice-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — Gov. Jim Justice’s case of covid-19 is serious, his chief of staff said today.

“He’s not doing well. He’s very ill. He continues to suffer, as I can hear through the phone, severe congestion. He still has elevated blood pressure. He’s uncomfortable,” Brian Abraham, the chief of staff, said today on MetroNews’ “Talkline.”

Justice is fully vaccinated, and he has received a booster dose. The Governor’s Office late Tuesday announced Justice opted to get tested after experiencing “the sudden onset of symptoms,” including congestion and coughing.

That can't possibly be a serious question.

Nobody has ever said that the vaccines and boosters absolutely prevent severe illness, or even death, 100% of the time. You're arguing a point that no one has ever made.

DanM wrote:

Vax mob mafia, please answer. Why does a person become very ill from Covid-19 after 3 doses of "vaccine" ?

https://wvmetronews.com/2022/01/12/justice-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — Gov. Jim Justice’s case of covid-19 is serious, his chief of staff said today.

“He’s not doing well. He’s very ill. He continues to suffer, as I can hear through the phone, severe congestion. He still has elevated blood pressure. He’s uncomfortable,” Brian Abraham, the chief of staff, said today on MetroNews’ “Talkline.”

Justice is fully vaccinated, and he has received a booster dose. The Governor’s Office late Tuesday announced Justice opted to get tested after experiencing “the sudden onset of symptoms,” including congestion and coughing.

How long ago did he get his 3rd shot?

I hate to compare anti-vaxxers to Nazis...but apparently Nazis were anti-vax mandate.

Nazis wanted the non-Aryans to die off, so they relaxed vax mandates, hoping disease would do the work of millions of bullets. Believing good Aryans weren't so stupid as to skip vaccinations.

And Nazis particularly relaxed vax mandates in conquered territory like Ukraine, hoping the natives would just die off and leave their land to the Germans.

So yeah, American anti-vaxxers are pursuing the same strategy. Relaxing mandates.

Do they also want another 850,000 Americans to die?

agip wrote:

I hate to compare anti-vaxxers to Nazis...but apparently Nazis were anti-vax mandate.

Nazis wanted the non-Aryans to die off, so they relaxed vax mandates, hoping disease would do the work of millions of bullets. Believing good Aryans weren't so stupid as to skip vaccinations.

And Nazis particularly relaxed vax mandates in conquered territory like Ukraine, hoping the natives would just die off and leave their land to the Germans.

So yeah, American anti-vaxxers are pursuing the same strategy. Relaxing mandates.

Do they also want another 850,000 Americans to die?

The chemical and biological formulation known as mRNA did not exist during the years the Nazis ruled Germany, 1933 to 1945.

Try again.

You are trying really hard to make an argument that vaccines don't impact hospitalizations or ICU occupancy.

I just looked at the Ontario data. Currently they have 343 people in the ICU due to COVID. Roughly half are vaccinated, roughly half are not. However, 85% of Ontario's population is vaccinated. Thus, half of the COVID ICU beds are being supplied by only 15% of the population. All other things being equal, the vaccine data from Ontario would suggest that the vaccines make you about five times less likely to wind up in an ICU than if you didn't.

Note, too, that Ontario's ICU occupancy rate due to COVID is less than a third the current rate in the US -- more evidence that vaccination is prudent.

DanM wrote:

agip wrote:

I hate to compare anti-vaxxers to Nazis...but apparently Nazis were anti-vax mandate.

Nazis wanted the non-Aryans to die off, so they relaxed vax mandates, hoping disease would do the work of millions of bullets. Believing good Aryans weren't so stupid as to skip vaccinations.

And Nazis particularly relaxed vax mandates in conquered territory like Ukraine, hoping the natives would just die off and leave their land to the Germans.

So yeah, American anti-vaxxers are pursuing the same strategy. Relaxing mandates.

Do they also want another 850,000 Americans to die?

The chemical and biological formulation known as mRNA did not exist during the years the Nazis ruled Germany, 1933 to 1945.

Try again.

ok so do a non mRNA vaccine and leave the good stuff for people who want the best protection.

but anyway, you and I both know that in trumpy states all vaccine mandates are going away, for every vaccine.

And we'll be back to deadly childhood diseases, and other nations will require proof of shots in order for Americans to visit.

We'll have kids dying of diseases we've all collectively forgotten the names of.

All because the trumpers are being played by russian and right wing for-profit media.

congrats, America.

agip wrote:

I hate to compare anti-vaxxers to Nazis...but apparently Nazis were anti-vax mandate.

Nazis wanted the non-Aryans to die off, so they relaxed vax mandates, hoping disease would do the work of millions of bullets. Believing good Aryans weren't so stupid as to skip vaccinations.

And Nazis particularly relaxed vax mandates in conquered territory like Ukraine, hoping the natives would just die off and leave their land to the Germans.

So yeah, American anti-vaxxers are pursuing the same strategy. Relaxing mandates.

Do they also want another 850,000 Americans to die?

Weird post. Since most Republican governors have signed executive orders banning vaccine mandates & passports from state & local government officials in their respective states, and Republican legislators are fighting against mandates - are you implying then that these GOP governors & Congressmen are Nazis?

"Republican lawmakers nationwide have submitted legislation to ban COVID-19 vaccine mandates and passports."

I think your confusing "informed consent" & medical freedom to make one's own decision on medical interventions/procedures free from government coercion vs what the Nazis were doing in nefariously exterminating certain groups of people.

DanM wrote:

Vax mob mafia, please answer. Why does a person become very ill from Covid-19 after 3 doses of "vaccine" ?

https://wvmetronews.com/2022/01/12/justice-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — Gov. Jim Justice’s case of covid-19 is serious, his chief of staff said today.

“He’s not doing well. He’s very ill. He continues to suffer, as I can hear through the phone, severe congestion. He still has elevated blood pressure. He’s uncomfortable,” Brian Abraham, the chief of staff, said today on MetroNews’ “Talkline.”

Justice is fully vaccinated, and he has received a booster dose. The Governor’s Office late Tuesday announced Justice opted to get tested after experiencing “the sudden onset of symptoms,” including congestion and coughing.

He has a co morbidity obviously. Also without the vaccines, he'd probably be dead by now. He may still not make it, but no one said the vaccines were 100% effective.

No he is simply saying nazis, were anti-vax. Being anti-vax regardless of how your dress it up (i.e. der, der freedum!!!) results in more people dying.

The difference, of course, is to the the Ayrans-types of today (like you) aren't getting the vaccines themselves.

They are so dumb they are willing to die to "own the libs"

DanM wrote:

der,der.....why do people still die if they make us wear seat belts

der, der...why do people still die of lung cancer if we ban smoking

.

imagine being this foolish to think this is a salient point

More likely without his recent booster he would not be sick at all.

***using carmine's logic***

I know about 50 people personally including myself, my wife and kids who have been boosted and have not got sick from the vaccine or Covid.

You fools point to the individual cases and ignore the vast majority of people who been vaxxed/ boosted and nothing happened. The 1 in a 1000 cases don't "prove" your point, they disprove it. Thanks for playing,

Wuzzle Wuzzle4 wrote:

No he is simply saying nazis, were anti-vax. Being anti-vax regardless of how your dress it up (i.e. der, der freedum!!!) results in more people dying.

The difference, of course, is to the the Ayrans-types of today (like you) aren't getting the vaccines themselves.

They are so dumb they are willing to die to "own the libs"

No...you got it all wrong. Go look up "informed consent & medical ethics." It has nothing to do with owning the libs. This is a *medical* issue not a political one.

Aren't you for informed consent when comes to any medical interventions/]procedures? How about bodily autonomy - do you think the government has the right to dictate what you can & can't put into your body?

agip wrote:

I hate to compare anti-vaxxers to Nazis...but apparently Nazis were anti-vax mandate.

Nazis wanted the non-Aryans to die off, so they relaxed vax mandates, hoping disease would do the work of millions of bullets. Believing good Aryans weren't so stupid as to skip vaccinations.

And Nazis particularly relaxed vax mandates in conquered territory like Ukraine, hoping the natives would just die off and leave their land to the Germans.

So yeah, American anti-vaxxers are pursuing the same strategy. Relaxing mandates.

Do they also want another 850,000 Americans to die?

are you aware that they are planning to parse out the data and determine deaths "with" covid and deaths "from" covid. That number of 850,000 is going to go down significantly pretty soon.

agip wrote:

I hate to compare anti-vaxxers to Nazis...

Then don't. These threads are stupid enough without providing easy fodder for the trolls.

Wuzzle Wuzzle4 wrote:

DanM wrote:

der,der.....why do people still die if they make us wear seat belts

der, der...why do people still die of lung cancer if we ban smoking

.

imagine being this foolish to think this is a salient point

Imagine being such an idiot that you cannot distinguish between a seat belt and a substance injected into your body.