Do you think the Crumbley parents are legally innocent?

Raddison wrote:

I can't help but wonder how many of the posters in this thread would change their positions if the Crumbley family were black.

If the Crumbley's were black, Ethan wouldn't have been taken alive. He would have been killed by the police responding to the scene and the media would probably be sweeping it under the rug and vilifying Ethan as a deranged sociopath instead of highlighting his clear mental illness.

Raddison wrote:

I can't help but wonder how many of the posters in this thread would change their positions if the Crumbley family were black.

There it is. Finally!

The race-baiters have been on sabbatical. It's page 6 before we saw someone raise the "what if they were black?" platitude. That should have been page 2. You guys are slipping, man. Slippage.

Usually I can call it. I cannot this time. wrote:

Hucklebuck, Ali wrote:

You are wrong and need to keep up. The county prosecutor threatened school officials with criminal charges.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-school-shooting-school-officials-could-be-charged

I am not wrong. Threatening criminal charges is not the same as a judge signing a warrant for arrest. You are too soon. YOU NEED TO KEEP UP. I doubt criminal charges for any school officials.

No, you are and were wrong. You were complaining that any debate that did not focus on the culpability of the parents was off-topic: "I wish posters would stop bringing up school system." In making that complaint, you made the following erroneous statements:

"Culpability of school system will be a civil court case."

"School system culpability has nothing to do with this manslaughter case."

Those are both wrong, legally and topically. The county prosecutor has threatened criminal charges against school officials and is currently investigating such charges. There is no reason that shouldn't be discussed in this thread. It is relevant to the thread, and the legal theory the prosecutor is considering makes just as much sense as charging the parents.

Bound4Glory wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The parents bought the gun and their son used it to murder people. The school did neither of those things.

The school saw Ethan's violent drawings with "The thoughts won't stop. Help me", "Blood everywhere", "My life is useless", and "The world is dead." The parents never saw that.

Discussing those things wasn't the purpose of the meeting? Were you there?

Whatever the end result of any investigation into the school's actions and/or the parent's culpability we clearly don't have enough info to draw a conclusion on either.

In both cases, there could be precedent setting decisions which affect how schools handle these types of situations as well as parents liability for the actions of their children.

Rick Cheney wrote:

I personally would like to know the political leanings of the Crumbleys before I condemn them or their sons actions.

Personally, I have no interest in where they stand politically what-so-ever. A few pages ago on this thread I said that I am anxious to see if the NRA or a political group helps fund their defense. That, I find interesting.

bugattiaron wrote:

Raddison wrote:

I can't help but wonder how many of the posters in this thread would change their positions if the Crumbley family were black.

If the Crumbley's were black, Ethan wouldn't have been taken alive. He would have been killed by the police responding to the scene and the media would probably be sweeping it under the rug and vilifying Ethan as a deranged sociopath instead of highlighting his clear mental illness.

Yes, we know for a fact that whenever a black person is killed by police, the media immediately conspires and attempts to sweep the whole story under the rug. Such events NEVER make national media headlines, or lead to media-inspired riot and looting binges. Never. I can't think of a single exception to that rule.

Hucklebuck, Ali wrote:

Raddison wrote:

I can't help but wonder how many of the posters in this thread would change their positions if the Crumbley family were black.

There it is. Finally!

The race-baiters have been on sabbatical. It's page 6 before we saw someone raise the "what if they were black?" platitude. That should have been page 2. You guys are slipping, man. Slippage.

Oh dear. It seems I hit a nerve. I could say don't take it personally but that would be pointless as you obviously did take it personally.

Raddison wrote:

Hucklebuck, Ali wrote:

There it is. Finally!

The race-baiters have been on sabbatical. It's page 6 before we saw someone raise the "what if they were black?" platitude. That should have been page 2. You guys are slipping, man. Slippage.

Oh dear. It seems I hit a nerve. I could say don't take it personally but that would be pointless as you obviously did take it personally.

Just start a "What if Ethan was black?" thread so people who see everything in terms of race can gather.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Discussing those things wasn't the purpose of the meeting? Were you there?

No. I'm just saying that the school saw the original picture but that parents did not.

Bound4Glory wrote:

BOPA wrote:

They knew he had the gun!

That’s why the mother texted “don’t do it “when the travesty was already done.

Again, THEY KNEW HE HAD THE GUN!

A) The parents did not know he had the gun until after the shootings occurred. We both agree on that.

B) We don't know what was discussed with the school officials during their meeting. Did the school ask the parents if they had guns in the house? Did Ethan have access to guns? If those questions were not asked, then the school is negligent. If they were asked and the parents lied, then the parents are negligent. Simple as that.

C) When his mom texted "Don't do it", the shootings had already occurred 30 minutes ago and were widely reported. She was telling Ethan to not kill himself.

Hi Item C

You don’t know what she was trying to say !

You don’t know about item A either

bugattiaron wrote:

Yes. The mother posted a picture of the gun saying it was a gift for her son

Imagine you buy a brand new car, but the dealer titles the car to someone else. The dealer registers the car to someone else. Physical possession of the car is given to someone else. You are only allowed to drive the car on weekends, at a race track, with that someone else in the passenger seat. So the question is this: is that really your car? Or is it someone else's?

If you said "someone else", then you should be able to see that the gun was never bought for Ethan.

ErolsInternet wrote:

well this wrote:

Do you think that they may have been bad parents but didn't break any laws and are just being singled out by antigun liberals?

0/10

You can’t give 0/10 on the 6th page ya dolt.

Bound4Glory wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Discussing those things wasn't the purpose of the meeting? Were you there?

No. I'm just saying that the school saw the original picture but that parents did not.

How do you know that? The school officials saw things that made them concerned. Why wouldn't they share them with the parents? It's confirmed by a text sent to Ethan by his mother that she was told he had been searching for ammunition online.

Bound4Glory wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Discussing those things wasn't the purpose of the meeting? Were you there?

No. I'm just saying that the school saw the original picture but that parents did not.

How do you know the parents didn't see them? Or similar or worse at home?

You're blasting people for making assumptions and you make an assumption yourself.

You think 'The Beav' is off creating drawings at school and at home he's completely normal?

Where do you draw the line between the school's responsibility and the parents? Children are products of their environment and parents are the most significant contributor to that environment.

Raddison wrote:

I can't help but wonder how many of the posters in this thread would change their positions if the Crumbley family were black.

As in some shifting blame to social injustice while others shifting blame to neglectful/absent parents? The hardliners on both sides would do a 180 for sure.

Hucklebuck, Ali wrote:

bugattiaron wrote:

If the Crumbley's were black, Ethan wouldn't have been taken alive. He would have been killed by the police responding to the scene and the media would probably be sweeping it under the rug and vilifying Ethan as a deranged sociopath instead of highlighting his clear mental illness.

Yes, we know for a fact that whenever a black person is killed by police, the media immediately conspires and attempts to sweep the whole story under the rug. Such events NEVER make national media headlines, or lead to media-inspired riot and looting binges. Never. I can't think of a single exception to that rule.

That's not what I said at all. Try a little intellectual honesty fam.

When a school shooter is white, they're almost always taken alive. When a school shooter is a person of color, they're almost always taken out by police. And shootings with a person of color as the perpetrator typically don't get nearly as much mainstream media coverage as shootings with a white perpetrator.

Bound4Glory wrote:

bugattiaron wrote:

Yes. The mother posted a picture of the gun saying it was a gift for her son

Imagine you buy a brand new car, but the dealer titles the car to someone else. The dealer registers the car to someone else. Physical possession of the car is given to someone else. You are only allowed to drive the car on weekends, at a race track, with that someone else in the passenger seat. So the question is this: is that really your car? Or is it someone else's?

If you said "someone else", then you should be able to see that the gun was never bought for Ethan.

That's a complete false equivalence. Yes, it's illegal for Ethan to have and use that gun anywhere other than a shooting range, but the parents bought it and posted on social media their intent to give it to him as a gift. They then allowed him unrestricted access to it, disregarding the fact that that's illegal. You're saying that if someone buys something and then gives it to someone who can't legally own it, then they never really bought it FOR the other person. That's ridiculous.

RedditisBetter wrote:

Bound4Glory wrote:

No. I'm just saying that the school saw the original picture but that parents did not.

How do you know the parents didn't see them? Or similar or worse at home?

You're blasting people for making assumptions and you make an assumption yourself.

I'm not making any assumptions. That's exactly what was reported by The Detroit News:

Teacher alarmed by Oxford High suspect's drawings ahead of shooting, warned school leaders

As far as school responsibility, Ethan created violent drawings with the words "The thoughts won't stop. Help me", "Blood everywhere", "My life is useless", and "The world is dead." yet they released him without even searching his backpack. If that's an acceptable and proper response, then why bother doing anything? You will never ever find a louder and clearer cry for help. And they effectively ignored it. And now they're covering up by blaming everyone but themselves. It's pathetic. But you don't have to believe it. Take the red pill.