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2 years ago 04/18/2022 3:40am EDT

re: FatScottishJogger

FatScottishJogger wrote:
Why does she still hold the American records in the 5k and 1500 if she’s a convicted doper?
There’s probably an explanation but id have just assumed that once someone is busted for being a drugs cheat,all the results and records get wiped??

Probably the same reason why all the fake powerlifting records exist.. And all of the fake powerlifters have like millions of followers all over instagram and twitter..

Because you know according to them anything accomplished on steroids counts.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 4:42am EDT

re: rekrunner

rekrunner wrote:
FatScottishJogger wrote:
Why does she still hold the American records in the 5k and 1500 if she’s a convicted doper?
There’s probably an explanation but id have just assumed that once someone is busted for being a drugs cheat,all the results and records get wiped??
That would be a harsh punishment considering the evidence.
They pick a start date based on the evidence they have, which in this case was a one time sample above the threshold, in the off-season in December (no results on or after that day until the provisional suspension).

Fair point,though I’d have thought it’s logical to assume that a doper likely doped at their peak performances like her PB runs,especially that time trial like 5k.

Nobody likely believes her times now anyway I suppose.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 5:02am EDT

re: FatScottishJogger

FatScottishJogger wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
That would be a harsh punishment considering the evidence.
They pick a start date based on the evidence they have, which in this case was a one time sample above the threshold, in the off-season in December (no results on or after that day until the provisional suspension).
Fair point,though I’d have thought it’s logical to assume that a doper likely doped at their peak performances like her PB runs,especially that time trial like 5k.
Nobody likely believes her times now anyway I suppose.

All this assumes she is a cheat and this is not the subject of the thread.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 5:03am EDT

re: Famney

Famney wrote:
FatScottishJogger wrote:
Fair point,though I’d have thought it’s logical to assume that a doper likely doped at their peak performances like her PB runs,especially that time trial like 5k.
Nobody likely believes her times now anyway I suppose.
All this assumes she is a cheat and this is not the subject of the thread.

Sorry ignore above.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 5:04am EDT

re: Famney

Famney wrote:
All this assumes she is a cheat and this is not the subject of the thread.

Where is that coming from? FatScottishJogger called her, evidently correctly, "a doper", not "a cheat".

2 years ago 04/18/2022 5:05am EDT

re: casual obsever

casual obsever wrote:
Either it was a simple testo cream (contaminated with nandro), then the costs are almost negligible, or a complex designer cocktail, then BTC would most likely be the (unofficial) organizer and payer.
Given how BTC reacted when she got caught, my money is on the latter (which would also explain her other high androgen levels).

Still waiting to know about these other androgens.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 5:30am EDT

re: FatScottishJogger

FatScottishJogger wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
That would be a harsh punishment considering the evidence.
They pick a start date based on the evidence they have, which in this case was a one time sample above the threshold, in the off-season in December (no results on or after that day until the provisional suspension).
Fair point,though I’d have thought it’s logical to assume that a doper likely doped at their peak performances like her PB runs,especially that time trial like 5k.
Nobody likely believes her times now anyway I suppose.

No she definitely ran that time naturally. Just like all of the fake powerlifting fans believe that their fake steroid using heroes on instagram lifted all of their lifts naturally.

Why would she ever have ran that time on steroids? It wouldn't make any sense.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 5:36am EDT

re: Jeff Albertson

Jeff Albertson wrote:
comedyrel:3f wrote:
If all that matters is that US athletes are always available to race even if they violate the rules, the US should stop enforcing doping bans and switch to actively covering up doping in its athletes from WADA and the IOC. You have such a narrow view of "what's good for our sport" that you exclude fair competition.
Or are you saying all countries should be allowed to openly, legally dope their athletes?
Yes, the US and all countries should stop enforcing doping bans.
If everyone is allowed to use science to be better athletes (what you call “doping”), then the playing field is level.
And don’t try to say that certain countries will have more of an advantage, because athletes are funded by corporations, not countries. Nike/Adidas/New Balance/Puma and every other company should be allowed to have the best pharmacists, doctors, physiologists, and other scientists work to get the most out of our athletes.
Anti-doping is anti-science.

I mean other than the fact that steroids cause really bad side effects, diseases, etc...

Yeah you almost make sense here..

Why don't other people want to use steroids? Well maybe they don't want to get the diseases and side effects that come with illegal steroid use..

Did you ever think about that one?

2 years ago 04/18/2022 5:58am EDT

re: casual obsever

casual obsever wrote:
Famney wrote:
All this assumes she is a cheat and this is not the subject of the thread.
Where is that coming from? FatScottishJogger called her, evidently correctly, "a doper", not "a cheat".

So:when are you going to provide the details of her other androgens?

2 years ago 04/18/2022 5:59am EDT

re: matt_london_413

matt_london_413 wrote:
Jeff Albertson wrote:
Yes, the US and all countries should stop enforcing doping bans.
If everyone is allowed to use science to be better athletes (what you call “doping”), then the playing field is level.
And don’t try to say that certain countries will have more of an advantage, because athletes are funded by corporations, not countries. Nike/Adidas/New Balance/Puma and every other company should be allowed to have the best pharmacists, doctors, physiologists, and other scientists work to get the most out of our athletes.
Anti-doping is anti-science.
I mean other than the fact that steroids cause really bad side effects, diseases, etc...
Yeah you almost make sense here..
Why don't other people want to use steroids? Well maybe they don't want to get the diseases and side effects that come with illegal steroid use..
Did you ever think about that one?

Steroids are marvellous for health; that is why they exist.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 6:10am EDT

re: FatScottishJogger

FatScottishJogger wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
That would be a harsh punishment considering the evidence.
They pick a start date based on the evidence they have, which in this case was a one time sample above the threshold, in the off-season in December (no results on or after that day until the provisional suspension).
Fair point,though I’d have thought it’s logical to assume that a doper likely doped at their peak performances like her PB runs,especially that time trial like 5k.
Nobody likely believes her times now anyway I suppose.

It's a logic that requires a handful of assumptions/presumptions, which are not strongly supported by the evidence of the one time presence of a small amount of ingested nandrolone.

What people believe or don't believe is not necessarily relevant to establish reality. People will believe what they want to believe.

But bad faith is bad for the sport.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 6:12am EDT

re: Famney

Famney wrote:
casual obsever wrote:
Where is that coming from? FatScottishJogger called her, evidently correctly, "a doper", not "a cheat".
So:when are you going to provide the details of her other androgens?

Drop it.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 6:25am EDT

re: Famney

Famney wrote:
So:when are you going to provide the details of her other androgens?

Never again. Five times should suffice, no matter how often you ask this again.

Troll somebody else.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 6:51am EDT

re: casual obsever

casual obsever wrote:
Famney wrote:
So:when are you going to provide the details of her other androgens?
Never again. Five times should suffice, no matter how often you ask this again.
Troll somebody else.

You are the troll as you post stuff: in this case accusations; and then refuse to provide any evidence.

Not once have you provided anything that answers the question.

So where is the evidence of her other raised androgens that indicate designer drugs?

2 years ago 04/18/2022 6:55am EDT

re: rekrunner

rekrunner wrote:
Famney wrote:
So:when are you going to provide the details of her other androgens?
We I Drop it.

No; you can’t have posters trying to build up arguments on accusations that they fail to substantiate.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 8:02am EDT

re: Famney

Famney wrote:
matt_london_413 wrote:
I mean other than the fact that steroids cause really bad side effects, diseases, etc...
Yeah you almost make sense here..
Why don't other people want to use steroids? Well maybe they don't want to get the diseases and side effects that come with illegal steroid use..
Did you ever think about that one?
Steroids are marvellous for health; that is why they exist.

If they're so healthy then why does steroid user John Cena have varicose veins in his arm from them?

[img]https://i.imgur.com/WPpSbGN.jpg[/img]

Those squiggly varicose veins are something that you would expect to see on a 79 year old guy not someone of his age.

But go ahead and keep on thinking that they're healthy. Do you regularly post on the steroid infested powerlifting and bodybuilding forums?

Those pumped up versions of varicose veins on the inner shoulder and bicep are the number one symptom of heavy steroid use. What's going on is his heart is backing up and starting to clog up due to his steroid usage so the veins become larger and pumped up to make up for the chemicals coming into his body.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 8:10am EDT

re: Famney

Famney wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
Drop it.
No; you can’t have posters trying to build up arguments on accusations that they fail to substantiate.

"Casual obsever's" post you responded to was two months old. Since then he has pointed you to paragraph 107, several times: "the meat of a cryptorchid pig does not have elevated androgen levels but that the Athlete’s A- and B-Samples did contain elevated androgen levels."

Unfortunately, Prof. McClone did not tell us which other androgens -- this may be a fault, but it is not "casual obsever's" fault.

If you have further arguments of merit to make, it is time to make them, or drop it and move on.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 8:19am EDT

re: Famney

Famney wrote:
matt_london_413 wrote:
I mean other than the fact that steroids cause really bad side effects, diseases, etc...
Yeah you almost make sense here..
Why don't other people want to use steroids? Well maybe they don't want to get the diseases and side effects that come with illegal steroid use..
Did you ever think about that one?
Steroids are marvellous for health; that is why they exist.

Funny how consistent the varicose vein effect from steroid usage is... It's present in almost 85 percent or more steroid cases with medium to heavy dosage.

Yeah but pumped versions of squiggly veins and varicose veins are so hot..

2 years ago 04/18/2022 8:44am EDT

re: rekrunner

rekrunner wrote:
Famney wrote:
No; you can’t have posters trying to build up arguments on accusations that they fail to substantiate.
"Casual obsever's" post you responded to was two months old. Since then he has pointed you to paragraph 107, several times: "the meat of a cryptorchid pig does not have elevated androgen levels but that the Athlete’s A- and B-Samples did contain elevated androgen levels."
Unfortunately, Prof. McClone did not tell us which other androgens -- this may be a fault, but it is not "casual obsever's" fault.
If you have further arguments of merit to make, it is time to make them, or drop it and move on.

You miss the point ; casual refers to “ and other raised androgen levels”.

So what on earth are such “ and other “ and how do they then lead on to designer drugs.

2 years ago 04/18/2022 8:47am EDT

re: matt_london_413

matt_london_413 wrote:
Famney wrote:
Steroids are marvellous for health; that is why they exist.
Funny how consistent the varicose vein effect from steroid usage is... It's present in almost 85 percent or more steroid cases with medium to heavy dosage.
Yeah but pumped versions of squiggly veins and varicose veins are so hot..

Not seen a varicose vein in any of the Kenyan positives; ah they don’t do thousands of curls with the aim of getting them.

So why do steroids exist ?

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