Hassan will break the 5k/10k record before Gidey beats her in a WC/Oly games

Hassan: 28 years

Gidey: 23 years

We'll see over the next 2 WC and Paris

Who has the 5000m, 10000m, 15k, and Half Marathon world records? Hint: one person holds all the records

OozmaKappa wrote:

Who has the 5000m, 10000m, 15k, and Half Marathon world records? Hint: one person holds all the records

I’m sick of this board living in the moment. What Hassan did in 2019 and at Tokyo are two of the greatest individual performances of all time at championship meets. WRs will get broken, don’t act like Hassan isn’t incredibly close to both the 1500m WR and the 10k one.

This thread is silly because it's the equivalent of comparing a great pentathlete/heptathlete to a person who holds not just one but multiple world records.

In athletics we will always value specialization over range. If you value well rounded athletes then go watch a sport where many skills are involved instead of athletics where the whole point is to minimize skill in order to see how far people can push themselves in a very specific discipline.

If you hold multiple world records, then you are the best of all time in multiple events.

If you are good at several things but the best at none, that is significantly less impressive.

If you hold even one wr, even that is more impressive than being a jack of many trades but master of none.

OozmaKappa wrote:

This thread is silly because it's the equivalent of comparing a great pentathlete/heptathlete to a person who holds not just one but multiple world records.

In athletics we will always value specialization over range. If you value well rounded athletes then go watch a sport where many skills are involved instead of athletics where the whole point is to minimize skill in order to see how far people can push themselves in a very specific discipline.

If you hold multiple world records, then you are the best of all time in multiple events.

If you are good at several things but the best at none, that is significantly less impressive.

If you hold even one wr, even that is more impressive than being a jack of many trades but master of none.

No, what counts is winning head to head championship races. Running super fast times in random races, often with a special set up is nothing compared to winning an Olympic gold. When it mattered most, Hassan destroyed Gidey this summer. It wasn’t close, and that was after all the rest Hassan did the week prior. Maybe things will change, but if a rested Hassan and Gidey line up now at any distance, Hassan is winning.

You're wrong.

Anyone who at any point in time becomes the best of all time can win gold medals (in fact theyre expected to). But not everyone who wins gold medals can hope to ever become the best of all time, nor are they expected to. That's the difference.

Hassan us an incredible talent and kicker and Gudey is an incredible runner. Once the runner decides to run the doors of the kicker from the start we will see Gudey run 5000m in sub 13:55 and 10000m in sub 28:50 with the next 1-3 years . Gudey have to do what the Kenyans never tired against Farah, run the race at WR pace from the gun or Hissan will ALMOST always certainly beat Gudey.

OozmaKappa wrote:

You're wrong.

Anyone who at any point in time becomes the best of all time can win gold medals (in fact theyre expected to). But not everyone who wins gold medals can hope to ever become the best of all time, nor are they expected to. That's the difference.

That’s a joke. Gidey tried her best to break Hassan in Tokyo and ended up breaking herself. Hassan went to a dark place that Gidey may not even be able to approach. We are not talking Farah v Bekeke, we are talking about a woman who is just a couple of seconds off Gidey’s wr in the 10K who has no chance to beat her in a championship race. Sure when Hassan is in her 30s and Gidey is in her late 20s the tables may turn, but right now Hassan is not losing to Gidey in a head to head race over any distance.

OozmaKappa wrote:

This thread is silly because it's the equivalent of comparing a great pentathlete/heptathlete to a person who holds not just one but multiple world records.

In athletics we will always value specialization over range. If you value well rounded athletes then go watch a sport where many skills are involved instead of athletics where the whole point is to minimize skill in order to see how far people can push themselves in a very specific discipline.

If you hold multiple world records, then you are the best of all time in multiple events.

If you are good at several things but the best at none, that is significantly less impressive.

If you hold even one wr, even that is more impressive than being a jack of many trades but master of none.

Your "jack of many trades but master of none" has crushed your "best of all time" in every head to head matchup they've had. Hm...what could it mean?

Olympic golds are forever, WRs are not.

Hasan is the better runner, as shown in the OG 10000m, because she has both endurance and a kick, and over a bigger range (1500m - 1/2Mar). However, currently, Gidey is a faster runner over the range of 5000m - 1/2Mar, being the WR holder for that range.

if both are in the same race, and equally rested, my money is on Hasan 9/10 times. Gidey has to drop her, and has yet to do so. Marathon (if Hasan ever does it) may be a different story.

Niyonsaba may contest the 5000m to beat either in time as she improves over that distance.

Hissan is a special runner but beating Gidey 9/10 times over 10000n hardly. Gidey's 10000m WR come with spikes of 14:43/14:18 meaning there WAS more in the tank with better pacing. She is now even stronger, yes Hissan will always blow the doors of Gidey UNLESS Gidey goes for broke from the gun and we see who has the superior ENDURANCE when it's 28:45 pace or faster from lap 1.

This is running, not tennis or boxing. There is hardly anything less important than head-to-head. Also there's an age gap of 5 years and most of these matchups were an even younger Gidey going up against a prime Hassan. This would be like ragging on Yakob for losing to Timothy 13 times in a row. Tim's just 5 years older lol.

At the end of the day, one of these 2 women has all the WRs, the other has none (that matter). One is just entering her prime, the other is a veteran. And yet the one entering her prime has already produced more impressive performances than anything the other ever has or ever will produce.