If you have pronouns in your bio and a mask on in your display pic, then I frankly don't care about your opinion. On anything.
I'd rather talk to a toddler. They're less predictable and more capable of individual thought.
If you have pronouns in your bio and a mask on in your display pic, then I frankly don't care about your opinion. On anything.
I'd rather talk to a toddler. They're less predictable and more capable of individual thought.
RunRagged wrote:
BeefRunnerRyan wrote:
Yes.
It's a small gesture I can make to make the world a more inclusive place for those who feel there is little representation for their experiences. Having grown up in a rural area where being different was looked down upon, I know what it's like to be LGBTQ and feeling like there is no one to talk to. If including my pronouns in an online profile helps someone to feel like they're not alone and do have someone to reach out to when they need to talk, I'm here for that.
But does this "small gesture" really "make the world a more inclusive place"? For whom exactly?
To my mind, the new custom of parading one's "own" pronouns in email signatures and on social media, and policing other people to see if they do the same, is creating a climate where a lot of individuals who are, as you say, "different" are being put on the spot and pressured to out themselves - practices that traditionally were considered anathema amongst the "LGBTQ."
Instituting a new social custom for everyone to make public declarations about private matters like sexual orientation, gender identity, relationship status, dating history, medical procedures and views about gender ideology strikes me as coercive and intrusive. It also denies individuals one of the most fundamental human rights, the right to privacy.
Moreover, the practice of making it customary for people to be expected to announce and parade their "own" pronouns and other information about their personal lives on social media and in front of everyone else in work, school and other social settings goes directly against the Yogyakarta Principles. They YP are the set of ideal guidelines set forth by "LGTBQ" specialists in international human rights law to establish benchmark rules to protect those who are same-sex attracted and have gender identities different to their sex. Principal 6 on page 14 says:
Everyone, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity, is entitled to the enjoyment of privacy without arbitrary or unlawful interference, including with regard to their family, home or correspondence as well as to protection from unlawful attacks on their honour and reputation. The right to privacy ordinarily includes the choice to disclose or not to disclose information relating to one’s sexual orientation or gender identity, as well as decisions and choices regarding both one’s own body and consensual sexual and other relations with others.
https://www.refworld.org/pdfid/48244e602.pdf
Point well taken, but is there not an option for those who would wish to protect their privacy by including the gender neutral options like "they, them, " etc.?
CAA wrote:
I've always written 'their' as a neutral pronoun, as in 'a doctor must be honest with their patients' - always thought it was perfectly ok English and not an ideologically forced word. That was from 30 years ago though, way before any of this stuff started. I don't see why people don't adopt it, unless it would be an anti-climax for the hotheads.
What's the third person singular gender neutral reflexive pronoun? Themselves?
To answer the original question, no
RunRagged wrote:
BeefRunnerRyan wrote:
Yes.
It's a small gesture I can make to make the world a more inclusive place for those who feel there is little representation for their experiences. Having grown up in a rural area where being different was looked down upon, I know what it's like to be LGBTQ and feeling like there is no one to talk to. If including my pronouns in an online profile helps someone to feel like they're not alone and do have someone to reach out to when they need to talk, I'm here for that.
But does this "small gesture" really "make the world a more inclusive place"? For whom exactly?
To my mind, the new custom of parading one's "own" pronouns in email signatures and on social media, and policing other people to see if they do the same, is creating a climate where a lot of individuals who are, as you say, "different" are being put on the spot and pressured to out themselves - practices that traditionally were considered anathema amongst the "LGBTQ."
Instituting a new social custom for everyone to make public declarations about private matters like sexual orientation, gender identity, relationship status, dating history, medical procedures and views about gender ideology strikes me as coercive and intrusive. It also denies individuals one of the most fundamental human rights, the right to privacy.
Moreover, the practice of making it customary for people to be expected to announce and parade their "own" pronouns and other information about their personal lives on social media and in front of everyone else in work, school and other social settings goes directly against the Yogyakarta Principles. They YP are the set of ideal guidelines set forth by "LGTBQ" specialists in international human rights law to establish benchmark rules to protect those who are same-sex attracted and have gender identities different to their sex. Principal 6 on page 14 says:
Everyone, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity, is entitled to the enjoyment of privacy without arbitrary or unlawful interference, including with regard to their family, home or correspondence as well as to protection from unlawful attacks on their honour and reputation. The right to privacy ordinarily includes the choice to disclose or not to disclose information relating to one’s sexual orientation or gender identity, as well as decisions and choices regarding both one’s own body and consensual sexual and other relations with others.
https://www.refworld.org/pdfid/48244e602.pdf
I prefer the the Yogi Berra Principle.
Division 1 Coach< wrote:
Liberals are morons wrote:
China tested TWO nuclear-capable orbital hypersonic missiles the other day which analysts say "defy the laws of physics" and is unlike any weapon the US is capable of fielding.
Meanwhile, our woke military leaders and State Department are looking for imaginary white supremacists and tweeting about pronouns.
We're running dangerously low on time as a free country.
Classic conservative with their obsession with China. Just move there already.
I'm a libertarian thanks.
You leftist idiots have killed over 100 MILLION people in the last century chasing your infantile communist dreams...
Without the "classic conservatives" you idiots would all be dead or in a bread line somewhere.
rojo wrote:
I do wish instead of he/she we had better gender neutral words. Im think in the year 2021 we should be thinking less of gender/sex and it's weird as the so-called super liberals are taking us back 100 or 150 years where your gender or sex was determining of almost everything - like whether you could vote, be free, etc.
For once I agree w/ Rojo. What is the world coming to?!
Announcing ones gender is picayune at best.
In general, it is obvious that we need to re-think our notions of sex/gender. We do not need to push people into a binary distinction, when many do not fit into either category. We all exist in a unique space across a range of sexual characteristics. Declaring that in public seems....unnecessary, and intrusive.
JFR wrote:
No, and when I see a resume from these misguided college kids that has it on there it goes right in the trash bin.
This is pretty much exactly why I do list pronouns on LinkedIn. Cuts WAY down on the low effort garbage recruiters begging me to come work for their laughable sinking ship of a company
Hardloper wrote:
CAA wrote:
I've always written 'their' as a neutral pronoun, as in 'a doctor must be honest with their patients' - always thought it was perfectly ok English and not an ideologically forced word. That was from 30 years ago though, way before any of this stuff started. I don't see why people don't adopt it, unless it would be an anti-climax for the hotheads.
What's the third person singular gender neutral reflexive pronoun? Themselves?
To answer the original question, no
I've always been curious why people list both, like "she/her" or "he/his." Doesn't one imply the other? Or is their really a "she/his" out there where your gender depends upon your possession.
rojo wrote:
While I do think it's absurd that the English language is always defining things by sex , the answer would be no.
I do wish instead of he/she we had better gender neutral words. Im think in the year 2021 we should be thinking less of gender/sex and it's weird as the so-called super liberals are taking us back 100 or 150 years where your gender or sex was determining of almost everything - like whether you could vote, be free, etc.
PS. That being said, I'm fine with the use of Mx instead of Mr or Ms. Or Mrs. It's non of your damn business if whether your business colleague is married or not.
What. In. The. World.
no
I just treat everyone with respect. What a novel concept
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YesOrNoPollGuy wrote:
No
If you don't want to be called by she/her then you should probably list them. But if you don't care what people call you then it's fine not to.
RunRagged wrote:
CrispyChicken wrote:
I prefer the the Yogi Berra Principle.
You're not alone in that. Many people call them the Yogi Berra Principles and say they make about as much sense.
Speaking of Berra, I often think that this quote of his would be a perfect motto for the present era:
He hits from both sides of the plate. He’s amphibious.
I suppose that depends on whether he goes down and comes back up.
Liberals want segregation of gender and race because they need safe spaces.
Mary Cain, Kara Goucher, Allyson Felix think it is progressive to sign up or create female only brands, but lets just call it what it is. Segregation.
Liberals are morons wrote:
[quote]surveysays wrote:
We're running dangerously low on pearls to clutch.
China tested TWO nuclear-capable orbital hypersonic missiles the other day which analysts say "defy the laws of physics" and is unlike any weapon the US is capable of fielding.
which is actually technology they stole from us and we discontinued a decade ago. difference is China has to tout those pesky achievements. While the good ole US of MF A is down the road a piece working on wormhole travel. Nice job China!!
If I did it would be F/MF
Flocker/Mother Flocker
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A couple of articles that I found to be informative and measured in their tone, explaining the issue in a non-confrontational way, one from NPR and one from the National Institute of Health:
https://www.edi.nih.gov/blog/communities/what-are-gender-pronouns-why-do-they-matter
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/996319297/gender-identity-pronouns-expression-guide-lgbtq
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
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