Smoke free society wrote:
^ PEDs have addled the sectors of BT's brain controlling speech.
No sir, the part that has thrown my speech off is the pain on the easter bunny's face as he tried to convince your mom he really didn't want to know
Smoke free society wrote:
^ PEDs have addled the sectors of BT's brain controlling speech.
No sir, the part that has thrown my speech off is the pain on the easter bunny's face as he tried to convince your mom he really didn't want to know
WADA should apologize and compensate both Salazar and his athletes for pulling the rug out from under them.
LOL, what?
CAS has just confirmed Salazar's 4 year ban for three (!) ADRVs.
And in any case, what did WADA do? Those were all actions/decisions from USADA + AAA + CAS, and Nike cancelling NOP and finally SafeSport with Salazar's lifetime ban.
rojo wrote:
The athletes weren't cleared - they just weren't charged.
Indeed. Plus, they weren't charged by WADA but, USADA charged Salazar with using a prohibited method on Ritz and Rupp and others (see the detailed CAS decision):
208. c. administration and/or attempted administration of additional over limit L-carnitine infusions to Mr Ritzenhein, Ms. Begay, Ms. Grunnagle, Mr. Rupp and Mr. Horn during December 2011 through January 2012, and/or complicity in the foregoing infusions.
CAS did not agree:
298. USADA referred to evidence concerning Mr. Salazar’s approaches to USADA seeking permission to give NOP Athletes infusions over the 50mL limit and the failure to ensure that accurate records were maintained recording the volumes of infusions actually administered. It urged the Panel to draw the inference that, in fact, volumes of greater than 50mL were administered as infusions. The Panel declines to draw this inference in the face of the evidence before it. In particular, the Panel notes the contemporaneous email of 19 December 2011 referred to above in which Dr. Brown described the protocol as including “give 9.67 grams of L- Carnitine in 45 ml of .9% saline over 1 hour”.
Somewhere... Kara Groucher is crying
yep23 wrote:
SFC 77 wrote:
Not surprised at all. It was just a Witch hunt after Alberto. Let's suspend a coach who had not athletes cheat. Makes perfect sense
Nothing new here. Everyone knows Salazar was banned for one reason - because he's an azzhole and no one likes him.
Do you know Alberto? Has he ever coached you?
Curious...
Ernest wrote:
So where there's smoke, there's no fire.
Yup!
It seems no one can find or see the fire...only "Grey" smoke. Nothing to see here, case closed!
NEXT!
Shelby failed a drug test. Different.
Aouita 84 wrote:
yep23 wrote:
Nothing new here. Everyone knows Salazar was banned for one reason - because he's an azzhole and no one likes him.
Do you know Alberto? Has he ever coached you?
Curious...
No, and No. I'll also add that many in the sport are jealous of his success - most certainly played a role in the excessive ban.
I wonder now if USADA or WADA will charge “Witness A” now with an ADRV, before the statute of limitations expires.
Or if WADA will sanction USADA for lack of compliance for failure to charge witness A?
That would be tragic irony.
good riddance sal wrote:
This may shock you, but not everyone is swayed by the “never tested positive” argument considering the multitude of people who have beaten testing over the course of history.
Does everyone understand that the case of Salazar/NOP goes far far beyond a lame knee-jerk rejection of “never tested positive”?
“Never tested positive” should already be impressive, as we don’t talk about just one athlete, but all NOP athletes from the beginning to the end.
But here we had an aggressive investigation, a 5-year investigation starting in Dec. 2012 with the initial whistleblowing, lasting until 2017, when USADA charged Salazar/Brown. According to USADA, the investigation included “more than 2,000 exhibits” and “30 witnesses”. WADA now says 42 persons of interest: 35 athletes and 7 support staff.
Sure Lance never tested positive (well except for 4x in 1999 for cortisone, and 6x in retests of 1999 urine samples for EPO — 10x in just 1999 alone, not counting the 2001 Tour de Suisse suspicion), but he didn’t survive first hand eye-witness testimony upon investigation. Former teammates, former friends, former employees, all stepped forward with strikingly similar and unanimous firsthand testimony and knowledge of doping substances and methods from Lance and teammates.
With Salazar/NOP — three independent reviews from the AAA Panel, the CAS, and now WADA all agree on the lack of sufficient evidence against any NOP athlete, ever.
That is great news for athletes and the sport. They were never cheated by NOP athletes.
Have you guy's watched "Nike's Big Bet"? Well worth watching if you haven't.
Kara Goucher is absolutely crazy. She talks about seeing the team taking pills, and being told they were B Vitamins. She then claims that "B Vitamins don't come in a hard-pressed pill"
These are the kind of people whistleblowing against Salazar. They honestly have nothing to report.
NOTHING will ever change the fact that every NOPer is a doper.
coachcommentsnicely wrote:
Have you guy's watched "Nike's Big Bet"? Well worth watching if you haven't.
Kara Goucher is absolutely crazy. She talks about seeing the team taking pills, and being told they were B Vitamins. She then claims that "B Vitamins don't come in a hard-pressed pill"
These are the kind of people whistleblowing against Salazar. They honestly have nothing to report.
I thought the same thing.
My B vitamins ARE in a hard pressed pill.
She’s nuts.
coachcommentsnicely wrote:
Have you guy's watched "Nike's Big Bet"? Well worth watching if you haven't.
Kara Goucher is absolutely crazy. She talks about seeing the team taking pills, and being told they were B Vitamins. She then claims that "B Vitamins don't come in a hard-pressed pill"
These are the kind of people whistleblowing against Salazar. They honestly have nothing to report.
No not yet.
Now that this last review is over, again, once again finding nothing against any NOP athlete, in the whole history of NOP, we can look back on the whole saga with 20-20 hindsight. Although they “won”, in my opinion the whistle-blowers and USADA don’t come out looking all that good.
Steve Magness:
Let’s not forget, the only athlete found to have “doped” in this whole saga was Steve Magness.
We learned that “strict liability” means he is 100% responsible for what goes in his body. Period. WADA doesn’t permit passing the buck for any reason. WADA still wants him charged.
Furthermore, we learned that the “coach” expressly delegated/ordered the “scientist” to work with the “doctor” to find a WADA legal way to ingest the WADA legal substance.
It almost seems like a perverse sense of justice that Salazar and Brown are paying the price for Magness’ failure to find the WADA legal method, as explicitly instructed by Salazar, and for Magness’ self-inflicted ADRV.
Kara Goucher:
Kara Goucher was in tears about Cytomel. This is simply not doping. Kara essentially contributed nothing towards any ADRV finding.
USADA:
Much of USADA’s case centered around a legal substance, which may or may not have been infused in NOP athlete competitors, in a non-“WADA legal” way. I can see the anti-doping concern for infusions interfering with blood doping testing, to get under a 50% hematocrit limit, or to fool the ABP, but it is hard for me to be concerned about even Magness excessive 1L in 4 hours infusion, 20x over the limit, of a non-banned substance, that had no material consequence. This hardly seems like USADA correctly prioritized the allocation of scarce anti-doping resources by getting Salazar banned at all costs.
And it looks like not charging Magness, nor securing a witness protection deal, is concerning in terms of WADA compliance.
The most important thing in anti-doping is providing an environment where clean athletes can compete against clean athletes. As no NOP athlete was ever charged, due to lack of evidence, despite a lengthy and aggressive investigation, including 30 witnesses, I have to wonder if USADA’s money was well spent.
Supralapsarian wrote:
coachcommentsnicely wrote:
Have you guy's watched "Nike's Big Bet"? Well worth watching if you haven't.
Kara Goucher is absolutely crazy. She talks about seeing the team taking pills, and being told they were B Vitamins. She then claims that "B Vitamins don't come in a hard-pressed pill"
These are the kind of people whistleblowing against Salazar. They honestly have nothing to report.
I thought the same thing.
My B vitamins ARE in a hard pressed pill.
She’s nuts.
I just looked — even Flintstones chewables contain Vitamins B6 and B12.