BYU, Iowa State, Mich. State at Griak

shipscholar wrote:

Is ISU a favorite for nationals? They lost by 1 point to BYU while holding out Lagat and Rop. Lagat finished 53 @ NCAA XC last year and Rop ran 13:45 last year.

A favorite to what? Win? Let me introduce you to a team named NAU, maybe even Notre Dame, before Iowa State.

dssas wrote:

Why is Pollard allowed to compete this year in cross country? I looked, and he has already has competed four years in cross country...this is his fifth season.

Everyone got a free year due to last year’s Covid

dssas wrote:

Why is Pollard allowed to compete this year in cross country? I looked, and he has already has competed four years in cross country...this is his fifth season.

NCAA isn't counting last cross season, so even though he raced a full fall season and the NCAAs in March, that season doesn't count against him. So this season is his "4th" season

So people can compete an extra year? I thought it was just an extra year to finish your four years of eligibility. He has run at NCAA's four times.

It's a joke how BYU games the system under the guise of religion. Maybe some other schools can start getting their athletes to do fake missions so that they can compete until they're nearly 30 years old. Lucas Bon is listed as a freshman. Didn't he graduate in 2016? What a joke!

dssas wrote:

So people can compete an extra year? I thought it was just an extra year to finish your four years of eligibility. He has run at NCAA's four times.

Yes, they can. Minnesota just won the women's race. Their first three are all 6th year seniors running their 5th XC season.

It's good a lot of runners are doing their fifth or sixth NCAA XC seasons now, otherwise runners such as Spencer would find themselves without any post-collegiate team support.

Oh, wait.

Yes every NCAA runner received a extra season. Lots of NCAA runners will have competed in 5 xc seasons.

grono wrote:

Wow, Zac Jacklin graduated HS in 2015 and yet he’s still eligible to compete in D1 after so many years. Crazy.

I think Jacklin is the youngest guy on their squad too!

Every University except Ivy leagues and Military academies have student athletes who can go on missions.

Please provide evidence BYU athletes have any more eligibility than any one else. You can’t because all athletes have the same amount of eligibility.

If you’re unhappy some athletes go on 2-year missions go lobby your Congress person or the NCAA.

You’ve got nothing. At the end of the day you’re just a hater, like a few others on this site and it’s pretty easy to see.

BYU Cheaters wrote:

It's a joke how BYU games the system under the guise of religion. Maybe some other schools can start getting their athletes to do fake missions so that they can compete until they're nearly 30 years old. Lucas Bon is listed as a freshman. Didn't he graduate in 2016? What a joke!

Bons graduated in 2018 actually

CougGolf wrote:

Please provide evidence BYU athletes have any more eligibility than any one else. You can’t because all athletes have the same amount of eligibility.

If you’re unhappy some athletes go on 2-year missions go lobby your Congress person or the NCAA.

You’ve got nothing. At the end of the day you’re just a hater, like a few others on this site and it’s pretty easy to see.

We're not saying they have more eligibility. We're saying BYU games it beyond belief to have people running when they're nearly drawing Social Security. You'd be okay with a 21-year-old running in NXN?

Creed and Davin Thompson are true freshman who graduated from Skyridge this last spring.

No because those are kids while these are adults. Many foreigners compete in the NCAA in their late 20s. Many world records are held by 21 year olds or even younger.

pety p wrote:

grono wrote:

Wow, Zac Jacklin graduated HS in 2015 and yet he’s still eligible to compete in D1 after so many years. Crazy.

I think Jacklin is the youngest guy on their squad too!

No. Davin and Creed Thompson graduated from Skyridge High in 2021. Troutner and Garnica graduated in 2018. Clinger and Johns graduated in 2017.

Both the UMN men’s and women’s team needs to close the 4-5 gap.

Straw man. Should a 18-19 year old freshmen run against 22 year old seniors? This is high D1 athletics. They have the same amount of eligibility.

What’s your alternative? Take away eligibility? Remove BYU from NCAA (wouldn’t that be nice)?

You’re intimating BYU is cheating/gaming the system because individuals choose to put life on hold to go serve a mission for athletic benefit. What evidence do you have for this claim? Do you know what LDS missions are like?

If this were some great athletic benefit program, why does the LDS church send out the other 60,000 non-athlete missionaries.

The mission program has absolutely nothing to do with athletics and the decision to serve a mission is an individual decision.

The notion BYU is cheating or gaming the system is mean-spirited and disingenuous.

Now, if you were to say that some athletes benefit from serving a mission, and by extension BYU or other schools that may have returned missionaries do as well, that could be accurate.

However, in some instances the opposite is true.

The reality is these guys like Mantz, Klingler, Troutner were legit before making the choice to serve missions. If they weren’t any good this wouldn’t be an issue.

BYU Cheaters wrote:

It's a joke how BYU games the system under the guise of religion. Maybe some other schools can start getting their athletes to do fake missions so that they can compete until they're nearly 30 years old. Lucas Bon is listed as a freshman. Didn't he graduate in 2016? What a joke!

Age doesn't matter in college. Not running for 2 years does nothing at all for ones development. You're just too bitter to see that. Kipchoge winning world gold at 18, Jakob gold at age 20, Hocker the 1500 champ at 20....you just don't get it. But keep telling yourself whatever narrative makes you sleep at night.

Also you'll have to come up with an explanation for why the BYU women are dominant, when not a single one has served a mission. Little inconvenient factoid for you there.