Why is everyone so obsessed with Gabby Petito?

Oil embargo wrote:

800 dude wrote:

Uh, no. That's not how the word "murder" is used in either legal or common English. "Murder" doesn't mean "a criminal conviction for murder." That's why you can could call someone a murderer who was acquitted, get sued for defamation, and still win if the jury concludes beyond a preponderance of the evidence that the plaintiff was, in fact, a murderer.

Exactly. Like O.J. Simpson. Unless you possess a liberal mind, it's clear Simpson is a double murderer, but the legal system considers him acquitted.

This Laundry guy had a bigger head start on the police than Simpson. He is gone to ground. Inaccessible. We won't side hide nor hair of him again. He is a child of the wind now, an enigma wrapped in mystery.

Why is everything liberal/conservative? At the time, polls showed most white people thought he was guilty while blacks thought the opposite. There are videos of the reactions of people when the verdict was read. Black people cheered and white people looked shocked.

800 dude wrote:

ridicula wrote:

Actually, all murders must be provable, beyond a reasonable doubt at least. Otherwise it’s not a murder, a term that has a legal definition. Not all killing is murder. Sometimes the process of proving that a death or homicide is a murder may go hand in hand with proving who committed the murder, but a murder isn’t a murder until proven as such

Uh, no. That's not how the word "murder" is used in either legal or common English. "Murder" doesn't mean "a criminal conviction for murder." That's why you can could call someone a murderer who was acquitted, get sued for defamation, and still win if the jury concludes beyond a preponderance of the evidence that the plaintiff was, in fact, a murderer.

Sounds like you are agreeing with me that murder doesn’t mean a criminal conviction for murder, which is very obvious from the following sentence in my post that you chose to clip out (that I inserted back above in bold font). A murder is of course independent of conviction. But to call something a murder needs proof of foul play by a human. Death by cardiac arrest, being devoured by a bear, or even being killed by in self defense (“justifiable homicide”) is not murder.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Oil embargo wrote:

Exactly. Like O.J. Simpson. Unless you possess a liberal mind, it's clear Simpson is a double murderer, but the legal system considers him acquitted.

This Laundry guy had a bigger head start on the police than Simpson. He is gone to ground. Inaccessible. We won't side hide nor hair of him again. He is a child of the wind now, an enigma wrapped in mystery.

Why is everything liberal/conservative? At the time, polls showed most white people thought he was guilty while blacks thought the opposite. There are videos of the reactions of people when the verdict was read. Black people cheered and white people looked shocked.

What? Are you seriously denying that liberals don't believe a black man has been framed by racist white cops operating in a system of white supremacy?

That scenario makes no sense. He finds her murdered body and drives home to Florida? That is not reasonable doubt. The word "reasonable" has a meaning.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

None of us are prosecuters or defense attorneys so F your guys' ID Channel knowledge. People can be convicted with only circumstancel evidence and it's very compelling in this case. The defense claiming a bear did it does not create reasonable doubt for me. Maybe it does for you but it doesn't mean you're a legal expert and I'm ignorant.

All of the things known to date is actual evidence and will not be dismissed by the judge. The jury will weigh it against whatever story the defense comes up with and for sure, the defense will point out there is no direct evidence that he killed her. The judge isn't going to instruct the jury to ignore the circumstancel evidence.

There was no direct evidence that Scott Peterson murdered his wife but he was still convicted. What's up with that?

No. Your ignorant. This case, at this point, doesn't compare to the Peterson case evidence wise. Also, you keep putting words in those of us who repeatedly have responded to your ignorance. Nobody said a judge is going to tell the jury to ignore circumstantial evidence.

Thoughts on Gabby Petito

--I feel horrible for what happened to her. Horrible for her family.

--Every few years our country becomes fixated on a white blonde girl who goes missing and goes out of our way to help in finding her--which in this case, we did. This has not ever happened for a person of color. Never. It is so baldly racist I can't stand it. That's why I can't get behind the "America's daughter" stuff. If Gabby is America's daughter, then so is Lauren Cho (google PLEASE).

--I wonder if we are ever going to stop treating women like THEY are the crazy ones. Men get violent, angry, enraged and murderous. But somehow a woman is always overreacting when they fear for safety. anger is an emotion. rage is an (unhealthy) emotion. Stalking and harassing are crimes. Murder...is a crime. Punching walls is violence. Grabbing someone or doing anything physical in anger is violence. Stop calling women emotional all the damn time and wake up and control your own emotions.

--Stop asking women why they didn't just "leave". For the billionth time, leaving is hard on its own and women are conditioned to make themselves feel as small and as insignificant as possible which is why they are constantly apologizing for feeling anything. So they might be in a violent and abusive relationship and not really even process it. and it is not on the woman to leave an abusive situation. It's on the man to idk...not...abuse.

and don't hit me with the "but women can be abusive tooooooooo" yes, I know. obviously. But Brian Laundrie wasn't found murdered in a mountain. Gabby was. That's what we're talking about now.

--Influencer culture has got to stop. I am so glad this stuff wasn't around when I was younger. Honestly, I was grossed out by her instagram and the attempts of every influencer to build a following off of a fake life they don't actually have. YoGa! VegGieS! MoUntAiN BaBe! She's from Long Island, comes from decent money and worked at a yogurt stand. She was in a terrible relationship that she sold as a picture perfect one of Fun! Adventures! In reality their travels was stressful. Why do people follow these vloggers? What do they gain out of looking at their pictures? It is only designed to make people feel bad in my opinion. And none of it is real. On a side note, many of these influencers drift into dieting and eating, and they are not remotely qualified to be telling anyone about what to eat and how.

Haven't been following this thread or story, and didn't see this posted in the last few pages...

This news article shows video footage of the two of them arguing... with Gabby sobbing... police suggested they separate... BF now prime suspect...

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/hard-drive-found-in-gabby-petito-van-new-last-text-details-emerge-as-brian-laundrie-remains-missing/3282127/?_osource=SocialFlowFB_NYBrand&_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand

You're not an attorney and your opinion is no more valid than mine. Can you site some previous incidents that are similar to this case to support your opinion? If he's innocent why is he on the run? It matters.

CrispyChicken wrote:

Former news guy, for a LONG time wrote:

This is beyond a non-story.

They'll find him in a week or two, when someone spots him in a convenient mart or whatever. He killed her, and the trial will drag out years. Politically, I'm thinking the right side will be with him, because he'll produce a gun or knife. Libs will be with her. Because it's FL, this is Terry Schiavo, or jackbooted thugs all over again (ignore that jackbooted thugs is entirely backwards now).

They may never find the "downer" boyfriend, at least not all of him. He likely offed himself and is now gator food.

Why do so many people seem to think he committed suicide? I realize he disappeared, but could have just been going into hiding so not caught. Plus, with a guy who immediately covers his butt and lawyers up, says nothing, and has shown no remorse...guilt isn't my first instinct.

You seem upset. But I don’t know anyone who categorically says women “are the crazy ones”. And in this particular case, no one seems to be asking why she didn’t leave. We all agree murder is a crime. No one is blaming her for getting murdered.

All we know from the police report as it was written is that in this particular case, they determined that she was the violent aggressor.

What explanation can there be for taking the van and abandoning her somewhere across the country?

Even if I got in a huge blowout with my partner, I wouldn’t ditch her in a desert without transportation?

dat rhombus wrote:

Why do so many people seem to think he committed suicide? I realize he disappeared, but could have just been going into hiding so not caught. Plus, with a guy who immediately covers his butt and lawyers up, says nothing, and has shown no remorse...guilt isn't my first instinct.

Actually, I wouldn’t be shocked if he committed suicide though if I were forced to bet money today, it would be on his hiding. People are strange, especially younger and still maturing adults, but even adult adults. They may act rationally and confidently to cover their ass one instant because of the reptilian fight or flight instinct, but upon deeper reflection get over-stressed and anxious and decide that suicide would be the best option to end their misery.

the macdaddy og yo wrote:

What explanation can there be for taking the van and abandoning her somewhere across the country?

Even if I got in a huge blowout with my partner, I wouldn’t ditch her in a desert without transportation?

If you are looking for some plausible explanation, many have been cited in this thread. But you may (understandably) not find them credible. For example, he could have threatened to leave and then come back after all only to find her dead/killed/murdered and panicked and fled the situation. Maybe they broke up and she wanted to just take a flight back home instead of enduring his company and he agreed to drive the van back, but some random murdered her and dumped her body in the woods.

I agree I wouldn’t leave my partner like that in a desert and drive back across the country, especially when the van is in her name, but even if the van were mine. But I don’t put “crazy” past anyone, male or female.

Ernest wrote:

Haven't been following this thread or story, and didn't see this posted in the last few pages...

This news article shows video footage of the two of them arguing... with Gabby sobbing... police suggested they separate... BF now prime suspect...

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/hard-drive-found-in-gabby-petito-van-new-last-text-details-emerge-as-brian-laundrie-remains-missing/3282127/?_osource=SocialFlowFB_NYBrand&_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand

One possibility for the argue/fighting is forced sex. This fits with the description of the description of his injuries of scratches on his arms, back and neck -- not unheard of for some sex partners. She could have been ovulating and he wanted unprotected sex regardless and she tried to fight him off. If she said NO and he forced himself on her it is rape. There is no such thing as a guy claiming he is innocent because he had to kill a woman because he felt she might try to kill him after he raped her.

ridicula wrote:

dat rhombus wrote:

Why do so many people seem to think he committed suicide? I realize he disappeared, but could have just been going into hiding so not caught. Plus, with a guy who immediately covers his butt and lawyers up, says nothing, and has shown no remorse...guilt isn't my first instinct.

Actually, I wouldn’t be shocked if he committed suicide though if I were forced to bet money today, it would be on his hiding. People are strange, especially younger and still maturing adults, but even adult adults. They may act rationally and confidently to cover their ass one instant because of the reptilian fight or flight instinct, but upon deeper reflection get over-stressed and anxious and decide that suicide would be the best option to end their misery.

You'll have to wait until, and if, the FBI releases details of the death. Indications are that it was not normal because a seasons FBI guy had trouble holding himself together during the press conference indicating that they believe they found her. I think there little doubt the body is hers, but they want a DNA test, dental records test, fingerprint checks (if possible after two weeks), tattoos (if possible after two weeks), and a full forensic autopsy.

A fuller story will no doubt emerge soon, which should stifle wild speculation like this.

Watching the longer video of the roadside police encounter, Laundrie says the scratch on his arm was from a wire. He admits the scratches on his face were from her, but he covers up for her saying it was unintentional.

The both seem unbalanced, but in the video Gabby is especially unhinged and emotional.

From that alone, you couldn't rule out Gabby committing self-harm, but given the way Laundrie acted after her disappearance/death, his culpability seems obvious.

Ernest wrote:

blunkered wrote:

One possibility for the argue/fighting is forced sex. This fits with the description of the description of his injuries of scratches on his arms, back and neck -- not unheard of for some sex partners.

A fuller story will no doubt emerge soon, which should stifle wild speculation like this.

There is nothing "wild" about it. That he has scratches on his arms, back and neck from her is HIS statement to the police.

BTW, you are free to stifle your own comments.

His claim that wires scratched his arms (same marks nails make) but she scratched his neck does not make any sense because he told police he put his arms up in self defense. He managed to block her punches but not her scratching his neck.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Oil embargo wrote:

Exactly. Like O.J. Simpson. Unless you possess a liberal mind, it's clear Simpson is a double murderer, but the legal system considers him acquitted.

This Laundry guy had a bigger head start on the police than Simpson. He is gone to ground. Inaccessible. We won't side hide nor hair of him again. He is a child of the wind now, an enigma wrapped in mystery.

Why is everything liberal/conservative? At the time, polls showed most white people thought he was guilty while blacks thought the opposite. There are videos of the reactions of people when the verdict was read. Black people cheered and white people looked shocked.

I’m as liberal as they come. Systematic racism was, and remains rampant in the LAPD. I think it’s even possible that some of the evidence was planted. But there is no way in hell you can logically believe that OJ didn’t commit those murders.