FDA rejects plan to administer Covid boosters to the general public

Wise Old Man wrote:

I’m a professor of medicine at a US medical school and have spent the last 1.5 years taking care of covid patients. The FDA got this right. Nearly all the breakthrough covid in those vaccinated occurs in the elderly or those who are immune compromised. 85-90% of those in the ICU with covid are unvaccinated and the rest fall into one of these groups. After a booster these groups are far more protected, but for how long is unknown. Moderna is likely better and more durable for delta than Pfizer, so a Moderna booster is a bit more of a stretch, but probably will be a yes for high risk groups too.

I am hoping that a 3rd dose spaced much farther than the second confers even longer lasting immunity against mild disease. Many vaccinations require such a dosing schedule.

Agree boosters for these groups make sense. More fiddling with the dosing could probably improve things as well, but that's effectively impossible to do without running big trials again.

I hope you're right that the spacing might make the vaccine more effective.

I'm amazed that the FDA didn't approve boosters across the board, but I'm guessing that will come before Christmas. On a separate note, the Pfizer clinical trial for boosters didn't start until 1 July so these high-risk groups will effectively be their own clinical trial. Best of luck to everyone.

Great choice if it stands

fisky wrote:

I hope you're right that the spacing might make the vaccine more effective.

I'm amazed that the FDA didn't approve boosters across the board, but I'm guessing that will come before Christmas. On a separate note, the Pfizer clinical trial for boosters didn't start until 1 July so these high-risk groups will effectively be their own clinical trial. Best of luck to everyone.

Considering every adverse event we've seen shows up in a week two. The EUA seems totally justified safety-wise.

Now we've had tons of data on the 2-dose regimen that show's its totally safe for a year +, as well.

+1 for postersplaining.

Follow the science wrote:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/17/fda-panel-begins-voting-on-pfizers-covid-booster-doses-rejecting-shots-for-general-public.html

Libs go home absolutely devastated

TTTTUUUUSSSTTT SSSCIIEENNNCCCCEEE!!!!

800 critic3 wrote:

1. An FDA Advisory panelrejected the plan,

2. Their opinion must be that the vaccines given are still effective. How is that 'libs devastated'?

3. Stay tuned, this is not the final word anyway.

2. The leftists are salivating at more “mandates”. Not because they are effective for their purported reason, but they are effective in controlling us plebes.

Resist the totalitarian leftist thugs.

Resist Dementia Joe.

Defund the Democrats.

800 critic3 wrote:

1. An FDA Advisory panelrejected the plan,

2. Their opinion must be that the vaccines given are still effective. How is that 'libs devastated'?

3. Stay tuned, this is not the final word anyway.

Remember way back in 2020 when Trump was president and he had no say in masks, lockdowns, etc.? It was all up to Governors and Mayors.

Or later in 2020 when Fauci and Biden said the federal government could not and would not and could not impose vaccine mandates? Or just a few months ago when Jen Psaki and Rachel Walensky said the same thing?

What happened?

Harambe wrote:

fisky wrote:

I hope you're right that the spacing might make the vaccine more effective.

I'm amazed that the FDA didn't approve boosters across the board, but I'm guessing that will come before Christmas. On a separate note, the Pfizer clinical trial for boosters didn't start until 1 July so these high-risk groups will effectively be their own clinical trial. Best of luck to everyone.

Considering every adverse event we've seen shows up in a week two. The EUA seems totally justified safety-wise.

Now we've had tons of data on the 2-dose regimen that show's its totally safe for a year +, as well.

Hey if the 1st 2 shots did not work, maybe the 3rd and 4th ones will.

Brilliant.

So how does this spin with pearl-clutching liberal areas where middle-age vaccinated people continue to live it terror of catching a cold?

Do they panic even more now that the much-desired booster dose is off the table, or do they accept the science showing it is unnecessary and begin to enjoy life again?

Precious Roy wrote:

Strike that. 65+ and vulnerable populations boosters approved unanimously.

True.

The FDA is owned by Big Pharma and it's crazy to think they would ever reject anything they want to do.

Boosters for general population will not only be approved but mandated. And soon.

Given that there will be variants every year, the only sensible thing to do is get a s load of booster shots and wear a mask forever.

And, double-mask all the children and destroy their personalities as you bravely save them.

It's the only way.

800 critic3 wrote:

1. An FDA Advisory panelrejected the plan,

2. Their opinion must be that the vaccines given are still effective. How is that 'libs devastated'?

3. Stay tuned, this is not the final word anyway.

Please follow the science and not your thoughts and feelings. Thank you.

Precious Roy wrote:

Data on boosters and under 60 is weak. Vaxes are not waning much for under 60. However, there is good data showing that vaxes are waning for people 60+. There was some support on the board for approving boosters for 60+, but not enough. FDA will revisit this and this is not a final thumbs down.

I think this is a mistake as far as over 60 goes. There is good data out of Israel showing a big benefit against breakthrough infections and severe disease for over 60. My parents are in their 80s and got vaxxed in February. They were just starting to get out of the house over the summer, but are now afraid to go anywhere until they get a booster.

Thank you Roy. I rarely agree with you, but thank you for the open minded response. Thank you

+1

I’m pretty happy if they determined that my current vaccination level is good enough and a booster is not required.

The devastated ones are those that lost people close to them who refused to get vaccinated and died of covid.

Precious Roy wrote:

Data on boosters and under 60 is weak. Vaxes are not waning much for under 60. However, there is good data showing that vaxes are waning for people 60+. There was some support on the board for approving boosters for 60+, but not enough. FDA will revisit this and this is not a final thumbs down.

I think this is a mistake as far as over 60 goes. There is good data out of Israel showing a big benefit against breakthrough infections and severe disease for over 60. My parents are in their 80s and got vaxxed in February. They were just starting to get out of the house over the summer, but are now afraid to go anywhere until they get a booster.

There is not good data regarding anything related to covid-19, specifically there is no good data in regard to success or lack there of of covid-19 vaccines. There is a reason Big Pharma are usually forced by F.D.A. to show five years of successful data. Six months in Israel? Six months in Israel is like getting a summary of entire WW2 from one Army corporal who fought in France for six months.

So have they isolated “COVID” yet?

Hope you guys are aware that the heart problems that come with the jab are irreversible. In line for your flu shot yet as it’s “flu season” and no cases ? . Amazing. Boosters after that!

Anecdotally I have 2 coworkers with heart arrhythmias since Moderna jab and they are too scared to tell mgmt. Both got the jab the same day.

They’re afraid of losing their jobs if they report it. Yeah it’s a hospital