I do hope you realize the pitcher gave Jeter a grooved “down the middle of the plate” fastball to hit that walk-off. Yes, Jeter still had to hit it, but I haven’t played ball in 20 years and I could still hit a 90 mph fastball to opposite field. Not it take anything away from Jeter’s career, but he was given a gift by the pitcher. He didn’t earn that last hit. Love him otherwise - helluva player they got every ounce out of his body. I
I've never been very impressed with Centrowitz. In the big picture, he's not much of a competitor. Rarely ever competes in the Diamond League meets. The Olympic 1500 champion and it's a rare site to see him competing with the big boys. Beyond being a rare site, that's just rare in the history of running. What Olympic champion hides more than Centro? You could name a few who hide as much, and they're confirmed drug cheats. And when he does show up, he's kinda not really 'there.' He just puts around on his own pace, showing no sense of urgency or fight, and ends up in 7th place. Certainly can't hold a candle with Ingebritsen or McSweyn in present-day, or Steve Scott in prior days (who competed all the time and always gave his best, even though not the most talented guy).
Beyond that, the U.S. has been really sorry in this event for a long time. We produce tons of sub-4:10 and sub-4:05 high school milers, but very few of them get to outstanding world-class level. Or really none of them. Do we see any Americans regularly competing at a high level in major invitational meets (Diamond League, etc)? No. Hopefully Cole Hocker will break that trend. But if the best we can produce is Centrowitz, then we're pretty bad as a nation in this event.
FL_track wrote:
I've never been very impressed with Centrowitz. In the big picture, he's not much of a competitor. Rarely ever competes in the Diamond League meets. The Olympic 1500 champion and it's a rare site to see him competing with the big boys. Beyond being a rare site, that's just rare in the history of running. What Olympic champion hides more than Centro? You could name a few who hide as much, and they're confirmed drug cheats. And when he does show up, he's kinda not really 'there.' He just puts around on his own pace, showing no sense of urgency or fight, and ends up in 7th place. Certainly can't hold a candle with Ingebritsen or McSweyn in present-day, or Steve Scott in prior days (who competed all the time and always gave his best, even though not the most talented guy).
Beyond that, the U.S. has been really sorry in this event for a long time. We produce tons of sub-4:10 and sub-4:05 high school milers, but very few of them get to outstanding world-class level. Or really none of them. Do we see any Americans regularly competing at a high level in major invitational meets (Diamond League, etc)? No. Hopefully Cole Hocker will break that trend. But if the best we can produce is Centrowitz, then we're pretty bad as a nation in this event.
Because centro really cares what you think
FL_track wrote:
I've never been very impressed with Centrowitz. In the big picture, he's not much of a competitor. Rarely ever competes in the Diamond League meets. The Olympic 1500 champion and it's a rare site to see him competing with the big boys. Beyond being a rare site, that's just rare in the history of running. What Olympic champion hides more than Centro? You could name a few who hide as much, and they're confirmed drug cheats. And when he does show up, he's kinda not really 'there.' He just puts around on his own pace, showing no sense of urgency or fight, and ends up in 7th place. Certainly can't hold a candle with Ingebritsen or McSweyn in present-day, or Steve Scott in prior days (who competed all the time and always gave his best, even though not the most talented guy).
Beyond that, the U.S. has been really sorry in this event for a long time. We produce tons of sub-4:10 and sub-4:05 high school milers, but very few of them get to outstanding world-class level. Or really none of them. Do we see any Americans regularly competing at a high level in major invitational meets (Diamond League, etc)? No. Hopefully Cole Hocker will break that trend. But if the best we can produce is Centrowitz, then we're pretty bad as a nation in this event.
“Not much of a competitor”….pfffffft
Not impressed with an olympic champion? World champion? Ncaa champ? Usatf champ?
Then what the eff would actually impress you? The kid shows up everytime, and is a tactical genius.
I’ve got a feeling you’re a really young guy with not much experience in the sport. The US has never had the high numbers like the Kenyans, Moroccans, etc. From Ryun to Liquori to Scott to Spivey to Falcon to Holman to Webb to Centro…and everyone in between…
It’s usually one guy that’s consistently top 5. After that, it’s slim pickings.
I get your affinity to the newest shiny object dangled in front of you with Hocker (also a strong indicator of your age), but at least make statements that show a little background. It really undermines your opinion otherwise, and significant bias becomes evident. We get it: for whatever reason, you don’t like Centro. That’s fine, but that obvious bias shouldn’t negate the actual facts and statistics of his performances over the last decade.
From a human standpoint, I’d also posit that you’ve probably not seen Centro taking pics and talking with kids or giving away his race numbers after his races. You know only what you’ve read on this website.
GORP wrote:
Birkoboy wrote:
Maybe he's had enough of BTC being druggie central.
Druggie Central?! How many BTC athletes have been banned for drugs?
If anything, I think an interesting fact is that Centro was with Shelby during the window that she would have had to taken the drug (it leaves the system in 10 hours and she was tested at 6am).
Everyone knows they ain't clean!
false timeline wrote:
Film Rep wrote:
He might as well quit.
Isn't Nike replacing him with Cole Hocker? 🤔
He could certainly do so with his head held high. I saw something similar to the following stats the other day, and it kind of hit home as to how good he has been.
1:44, 3:30, and 13:00 +
Ncaa champ
Usatf champ (x 5? Outdoor, x2 indoor)
World champ (gold indoor/ silver, bronze outdoor)
Olympic champ (1st, 4th, 3 Olympic teams)
I guess I don’t understand why people here are always so quick to denigrate him. This dude has been really good on every level for a really long time. Time catches up with everyone. As a track fan, his personality is certainly much than some milque toast guy that is boring.
+1
I'm right with you on this one. Any sensible person would see what an incredible career this guy has put together. The consistency over the years, not to mention the times and championship race achievements is mind-blowing. Anyone bashing this dude with regard to his running credentials is a complete F^cking IDIOT. In fact, it's not even funny on any level to criticize him with regard to his athletic career. Off-running topics and observations are fair game, but bashing his running accomplishments is just stupid.
WHO CARES what he does from here on out. He literally can do ANYTHING he wants, he's earned it. Unless you have achieved anything close to what he has you need to keep your mouth shut...PERIOD!
Respect the sport and those who have proven it.
FL_track wrote:
I've never been very impressed with Centrowitz. In the big picture, he's not much of a competitor. Rarely ever competes in the Diamond League meets. The Olympic 1500 champion and it's a rare site to see him competing with the big boys. Beyond being a rare site, that's just rare in the history of running. What Olympic champion hides more than Centro? You could name a few who hide as much, and they're confirmed drug cheats. And when he does show up, he's kinda not really 'there.' He just puts around on his own pace, showing no sense of urgency or fight, and ends up in 7th place. Certainly can't hold a candle with Ingebritsen or McSweyn in present-day, or Steve Scott in prior days (who competed all the time and always gave his best, even though not the most talented guy).
Beyond that, the U.S. has been really sorry in this event for a long time. We produce tons of sub-4:10 and sub-4:05 high school milers, but very few of them get to outstanding world-class level. Or really none of them. Do we see any Americans regularly competing at a high level in major invitational meets (Diamond League, etc)? No. Hopefully Cole Hocker will break that trend. But if the best we can produce is Centrowitz, then we're pretty bad as a nation in this event.
And you are? And you've achieved what? You bring ZERO credibility to this thread. If you're going to bash the guy at least make a sound argument and some coherent facts, if not stay the F^ck off these threads. I'm all in for some off-running smack talk, but not when you pretend to know ANYTHING relevant to actual facts by name-dropping a few elite runners past and present trying to justify your idiotic rant.
FL_track wrote:
I've never been very impressed with Centrowitz. In the big picture, he's not much of a competitor. Rarely ever competes in the Diamond League meets. The Olympic 1500 champion and it's a rare site to see him competing with the big boys. Beyond being a rare site, that's just rare in the history of running. What Olympic champion hides more than Centro? You could name a few who hide as much, and they're confirmed drug cheats. And when he does show up, he's kinda not really 'there.' He just puts around on his own pace, showing no sense of urgency or fight, and ends up in 7th place. Certainly can't hold a candle with Ingebritsen or McSweyn in present-day, or Steve Scott in prior days (who competed all the time and always gave his best, even though not the most talented guy).
Beyond that, the U.S. has been really sorry in this event for a long time. We produce tons of sub-4:10 and sub-4:05 high school milers, but very few of them get to outstanding world-class level. Or really none of them. Do we see any Americans regularly competing at a high level in major invitational meets (Diamond League, etc)? No. Hopefully Cole Hocker will break that trend. But if the best we can produce is Centrowitz, then we're pretty bad as a nation in this event.
Too sensible to be posting here.
false timeline wrote:
FL_track wrote:
I've never been very impressed with Centrowitz. In the big picture, he's not much of a competitor. Rarely ever competes in the Diamond League meets. The Olympic 1500 champion and it's a rare site to see him competing with the big boys. Beyond being a rare site, that's just rare in the history of running. What Olympic champion hides more than Centro? You could name a few who hide as much, and they're confirmed drug cheats. And when he does show up, he's kinda not really 'there.' He just puts around on his own pace, showing no sense of urgency or fight, and ends up in 7th place. Certainly can't hold a candle with Ingebritsen or McSweyn in present-day, or Steve Scott in prior days (who competed all the time and always gave his best, even though not the most talented guy).
Beyond that, the U.S. has been really sorry in this event for a long time. We produce tons of sub-4:10 and sub-4:05 high school milers, but very few of them get to outstanding world-class level. Or really none of them. Do we see any Americans regularly competing at a high level in major invitational meets (Diamond League, etc)? No. Hopefully Cole Hocker will break that trend. But if the best we can produce is Centrowitz, then we're pretty bad as a nation in this event.
“Not much of a competitor”….pfffffft
Not impressed with an olympic champion? World champion? Ncaa champ? Usatf champ?
Then what the eff would actually impress you? The kid shows up everytime, and is a tactical genius.
I’ve got a feeling you’re a really young guy with not much experience in the sport. The US has never had the high numbers like the Kenyans, Moroccans, etc. From Ryun to Liquori to Scott to Spivey to Falcon to Holman to Webb to Centro…and everyone in between…
It’s usually one guy that’s consistently top 5. After that, it’s slim pickings.
I get your affinity to the newest shiny object dangled in front of you with Hocker (also a strong indicator of your age), but at least make statements that show a little background. It really undermines your opinion otherwise, and significant bias becomes evident. We get it: for whatever reason, you don’t like Centro. That’s fine, but that obvious bias shouldn’t negate the actual facts and statistics of his performances over the last decade.
From a human standpoint, I’d also posit that you’ve probably not seen Centro taking pics and talking with kids or giving away his race numbers after his races. You know only what you’ve read on this website.
QFE
You clearly haven't been paying attention because, of all the valid things you could call him, the one thing you really can't call him is a poor competitor -- before this year, he has never showed up to a global championship healthy and not performed. He is a competitor through and through, and it goes to his detriment -- yes, he shows up to meaningless meets unmotivated. You know why? They're meaningless! He has always cared about medals and titles. STFU when you clearly haven't been around long enough to recognize his consistency. And call us when McSweyn has the medals Centrowitz has.
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