She looks much thinner than Allie I. which is saying something. I really fear for her long term health, even if she knock off national records for a few years. It just isn't worth the tradeoff.
She looks much thinner than Allie I. which is saying something. I really fear for her long term health, even if she knock off national records for a few years. It just isn't worth the tradeoff.
Shes a healthy elite athlete. You guys are just used to women being overweight and see that as normal.
OozmaKappa wrote:
Shes a healthy elite athlete. You guys are just used to women being overweight and see that as normal.
No, no, no. Didn't you hear? She & Hasay are on their deathbeds. Just a matter of time before they both keel over. Don't know how they have the strength to put one foot in front of the other.
to be fair, her body type is rather extreme. I can't think of another runner that is as thin.
zxcvzxcv wrote:
Klosterhalfen was down since Salazar. 14:35 was the most encouraging performance I've seen from her since 2019. It was Doha 2019 when Salazar's ban started. He was on his way there and not allowed to enter. She was a 14:20s runner then and seemed ready to go faster with ideal pacing and good conditions. 31:01 isn't even close to what a 14:20s runner like her should do at 10k. I'd think well under 30 was commensurate at her best. It was 2017 when she ran 1:59.65 and 2:04's her best since. 3:59 in 2019, nothing since at 1500m. She's 16 seconds slower at 3k (8:36) than 2019 (8:20). 9 seconds at 5. Her best since.
She was out for several months because of a stress fracture in fall 2020 and again in spring 2021. I am quite impressed that she is as fast again after all these troubles. And she ran 14:30 indoors as well as 4:17 in the Millrose mile in february 2020. She has not run a real 800m since 2017, the 2:04 were all from small meetings where she doubled and she also obviously shifted focus from 1500 (in 2017) to 5000m and now also 10000m.
Of course 31:01 is not what an 8:20/14:26 runner should be able to run. But it was only her second 10k race and for both she was not even close to 2019 shape. (The race in february was her first after long injury and run defensively with negative split, lapping the entire field.) Other, more experienced 10k runners ran 40-60 secs. behind their bests under Tokyo conditions, almost everyone in the field except for the silver medalist, the Japanese on #7 and Koko ran quite a bit behind their PB because it was so hot. One cannot compare such races with a BTC perfect condition TT.
OozmaKappa wrote:
Shes a healthy elite athlete. You guys are just used to women being overweight and see that as normal.
That’s a pretty sick and twisted take
5 sections wrote:
yet another NOP runner who came all the way from Germany to be coached by AlSal and we have since found out like 99% of the NOP was never coached by AlSal and was coached by Julian all along
Unfair and incorrect!
She missed a month of training in the spring and didn't get back to full training until mid June.
amchugh89 wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
Shes a healthy elite athlete. You guys are just used to women being overweight and see that as normal.
That’s a pretty sick and twisted take
Ok Lizzo burner account.
She got injured and had to take a lot of time off. Simple as that.
lke_4:25 wrote:
lke_4:25 wrote:
Yeah and guess what? PRE WAS ANOTHER NATIONAL RECORD. 2 in seventh month and still asking what is up with her? What exactly is you’re point?
To add to this injury is so so common with pro runners especially ones that like to stay that lean. Nothing out of the ordinary for someone like her to be out for 3-4 month after training hard for a record.
Why are you so angry about the OP asking this question? Obviously he didn't know she'd been injured, so the answer to his initial question is "She was injured in the spring." It's not a felony to miss the news about a runner's health status and then ask for an update - and, to be fair, there wasn't a lot of discussion about her this summer, though there were a few passing threads on Letsrun that mentioned her injury.
He asked a question. You had the answer. No need to break out the caps lock.
Someone mentioned her breaking down crying on the track once, I saw she seemed to run well again later. I hope whatever happens she's in a better place now
potato_salad wrote:
to be fair, her body type is rather extreme. I can't think of another runner that is as thin.
Hassan
koko fan wrote:
Haven't seen any other threads mentioning her but she seems to be off this season.
You do know she just got 8th place in the Olympic 10k, right? Off of a month and a half of training?
She set a national record earlier this year, then got a stress fracture. Came back and competed admirably in the Olympics. Can't ask for much more. Likely taking some time to build up mileage again, given that she didn't have the chance before the olympics.
Ummmm yeah ok wrote:
Like any malnourished athlete - they don't last.....
Molly Seidel agrees: "I was sidelined by a string of injuries caused by my disordered eating. As my weight dropped, my bones became weaker and began to break. ... I entered into a treatment program for my eating disorder. ... it is all too familiar in this sport to watch a young woman succeed for a short time, crash from low body weight and energy availability, and never be heard from again."
https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/page/Going-September252020/how-olympic-marathoner-molly-seidel-found-way-run-againmarinara wrote:
lke_4:25 wrote:
To add to this injury is so so common with pro runners especially ones that like to stay that lean. Nothing out of the ordinary for someone like her to be out for 3-4 month after training hard for a record.
Why are you so angry about the OP asking this question? Obviously he didn't know she'd been injured, so the answer to his initial question is "She was injured in the spring." It's not a felony to miss the news about a runner's health status and then ask for an update - and, to be fair, there wasn't a lot of discussion about her this summer, though there were a few passing threads on Letsrun that mentioned her injury.
He asked a question. You had the answer. No need to break out the caps lock.
Fair to say
She had a serious injury last fall and had to stop training to recover. She was not 100% fit this season because of that.
Not quite right wrote:
koko fan wrote:
Haven't seen any other threads mentioning her but she seems to be off this season.
You do know she just got 8th place in the Olympic 10k, right? Off of a month and a half of training?
She set a national record earlier this year, then got a stress fracture. Came back and competed admirably in the Olympics. Can't ask for much more. Likely taking some time to build up mileage again, given that she didn't have the chance before the olympics.
Why is she even running the 10000m? She ran 1.59 and 3.59 only a few years ago and is still young. GDS is older than her, yet ran 1.58 this year and 3.58 (3.56 under AY). Nothing to say Koko couldn't do this. I think that is (in part) how AS screwed up Cain (1.59.5 and 4.04 at 17yo) as she had no business running 5000m (or even 3000m at World Junior in 2014, even if she won). Jess Judd (same age as GDS) is the same, ran 1.59/4.03 as a Junior and is now running 5k/10k (and not that fast either). People (coaches and athletes) give up on getting faster, in part because it is easier to just add mileage.
If one has to move up, at least try and maintain the speed developed along the way, it's not like these people are in their 30's and so may have lost that capacity.
OozmaKappa wrote:
Ummmm yeah ok wrote:
Like any malnourished athlete - they don't last.....
Ok, Lizzo
That actually made me laugh!!😂🤣😂
mc hammer 'n nail wrote:
Not quite right wrote:
You do know she just got 8th place in the Olympic 10k, right? Off of a month and a half of training?
She set a national record earlier this year, then got a stress fracture. Came back and competed admirably in the Olympics. Can't ask for much more. Likely taking some time to build up mileage again, given that she didn't have the chance before the olympics.
Why is she even running the 10000m? She ran 1.59 and 3.59 only a few years ago and is still young. GDS is older than her, yet ran 1.58 this year and 3.58 (3.56 under AY). Nothing to say Koko couldn't do this. I think that is (in part) how AS screwed up Cain (1.59.5 and 4.04 at 17yo) as she had no business running 5000m (or even 3000m at World Junior in 2014, even if she won). Jess Judd (same age as GDS) is the same, ran 1.59/4.03 as a Junior and is now running 5k/10k (and not that fast either). People (coaches and athletes) give up on getting faster, in part because it is easier to just add mileage.
If one has to move up, at least try and maintain the speed developed along the way, it's not like these people are in their 30's and so may have lost that capacity.
I can’t understand Judd either - she seems like a pure 1500m runner - 10000m is ludicrous for her.
Koko I can definitely see that 1500m - half marathon is her best range so doing 5000m and 10000m is great.
mc hammer 'n nail wrote:
Why is she even running the 10000m? She ran 1.59 and 3.59 only a few years ago and is still young. GDS is older than her, yet ran 1.58 this year and 3.58 (3.56 under AY). Nothing to say Koko couldn't do this.
She won a bronze at worlds juniors in the 3000m in 2016, there were hints already then that she would be better at the longer distances.
Her German coach had already planned to focus more on the 5000m in 2018. There were some rumors that one reason for leaving him and joining NOP was that she preferred the 1500m. I think it was a good choice to pick the 5000m for Doha as she got a bronze whereas she would probably have been 5th in the 1500m. As she beat GDS clearly in Birmingham and Zurich 2019 and at Millrose 2020, I also think Koko could have run 3:55-56 in her best shape 2019. Still, she does not have the speed or kick other current 1500m runners in that range have, so I think the focus on 5k/10k is the correct choice.
This time with the untimely injury, they picked the 10k for Tokyo because there was not heat and it was later. She apparently could not run before June so one week more for real training counted. If healthy she would probably have doubled 5k/10k.
Koko will run 1500m in Berlin next sunday but I don't think she is in sub 4 shape yet.
Judd is a rather different case. I think she peaked as a junior and now tries to find some niche in the rather competitive environment of British middle distance women and the longer distances seem not as crowded as the 800/1500m.