Source worked with him in relation to Chicago Marathon and several other smaller races/appearances in the northern Midwest (IL/IA/WI ish), cited events of mentioned nature taking place as recently as 2013; it’s word of mouth not conjecture or construction. I’m not gonna doxx my guy/gal but I believe the story to be true and given everything I’ve heard about the guy privately beyond even that anecdote leads me to believe he’s fairly scummy.
dodkrnndbd wrote:
qbert wrote:
Is that true? Anyone else know about this?
+1
If you’re going to post something like that, provide some details and/or proof, otherwise it just sounds like you’re making it up to give someone a bad name.
Regardless of whether it's true or not, it's not something that needs to be posted.
1955 wrote:
Look, I loved Shorter and he's definitely one of the greats, but I think in a "perfect" race even Bill Rodgers beats him, much less Kipchoge.
I would also put Rodgers ahead of Shorter. Rodgers would have likely won the 1980 Olympics marathon without the boycott. In fact the US distance runners could have made a historic sweep from the 800m through to the marathon in those games.
qbert wrote:
ecoAnPac wrote:
Did he ever stop trying to sleep with anyone with a pulse under the age of 25? Last I heard (2018) he would still show up at parties trying to use gold medal clout to get laid
Is that true? Anyone else know about this?
Failed drug tests are not the only way to convict drug cheats. You seem to think it matters not all that there is official government documentation the Cierpinski was doping.
1980 Soviet Bloc wrote:
1955 wrote:
Look, I loved Shorter and he's definitely one of the greats, but I think in a "perfect" race even Bill Rodgers beats him, much less Kipchoge.
I would also put Rodgers ahead of Shorter. Rodgers would have likely won the 1980 Olympics marathon without the boycott. In fact the US distance runners could have made a historic sweep from the 800m through to the marathon in those games.
This is potentially a misguided post. Remember that the US was one of 65 countries that boycotted. So what you wrote about Rodgers and US distance runners is likely nonsense if there is no boycott period.
Frank Shorterer wrote:
Marc Bloom makes a good case for Frank Shorter but I think there is one huge gap in Frank’s GOAT resume THE WORLD RECORD.
Bloom wrote:
"In an idealized race between Shorter and Kipchoge at their best, in today’s conditions, and with today’s shoes, I believe we would see a stride-for-stride duel and, who knows, maybe a real time that would threaten 2 hours."
I had trouble accepting the time conversions and think Kipchoge deserves the clear nod on times. If we look back at Shorter and Kipchoge’s track times (where shoe technology and pacing has not played the same role) Shorter is a 27:45 10k runner and Eliud is a 26:49 runner. Eliud was a world champion in the 5K against two other GOATs. Shorter wasn’t even a match for Pre in the 5K.
Frank was great. Eliud Kipchoge is the GOAT.
https://www.dyestat.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531&do=news&news_id=623783LRC note. The OP didn't initially have the link in the post nor the quote. Please if you are referring to a story elsewhere try to link to it so people can read it and so the site that published it can get the revenue they deserve. Also, the original title was "Frank Shorter GOAT?"
Give Frank shorter some super-shoes, modern coaching and the 2020's performance-enhancing dope they're all using nowadays and he'd give Eliud a fair fight, for sure.
GettingFasterDude wrote:
Frank Shorterer wrote:
Marc Bloom makes a good case for Frank Shorter but I think there is one huge gap in Frank’s GOAT resume THE WORLD RECORD.
I had trouble accepting the time conversions and think Kipchoge deserves the clear nod on times. If we look back at Shorter and Kipchoge’s track times (where shoe technology and pacing has not played the same role) Shorter is a 27:45 10k runner and Eliud is a 26:49 runner. Eliud was a world champion in the 5K against two other GOATs. Shorter wasn’t even a match for Pre in the 5K.
Frank was great. Eliud Kipchoge is the GOAT.
https://www.dyestat.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531&do=news&news_id=623783LRC note. The OP didn't initially have the link in the post nor the quote. Please if you are referring to a story elsewhere try to link to it so people can read it and so the site that published it can get the revenue they deserve. Also, the original title was "Frank Shorter GOAT?"
Give Frank shorter some super-shoes, modern coaching and the 2020's performance-enhancing dope they're all using nowadays and he'd give Eliud a fair fight, for sure.
Do me a favor and tell me how many caucasian runners have come within 3 minutes of Kipchoges world record. Or even non east africans for that matter. Kipchoge would be a mile clear at worst
This is not even worth debating. Kipchoge is on another planet than Shorter. What is next debate : “who is the better x country runner Pat Porter or Bekele?”
If you actually saw what Shorter ran races in, you'd laugh. He ran to the race, not the clock. And he called (AlSal) A cheat early on.
mofarah494 wrote:
If you actually saw what Shorter ran races in, you'd laugh. He ran to the race, not the clock. And he called (AlSal) A cheat early on.
Yeah and yet Prefontaine beat him so it is not like Pre was beating the GOAT. The whole notion is laughable.
GettingFasterDude wrote:
Frank Shorterer wrote:
Marc Bloom makes a good case for Frank Shorter but I think there is one huge gap in Frank’s GOAT resume THE WORLD RECORD.
I had trouble accepting the time conversions and think Kipchoge deserves the clear nod on times. If we look back at Shorter and Kipchoge’s track times (where shoe technology and pacing has not played the same role) Shorter is a 27:45 10k runner and Eliud is a 26:49 runner. Eliud was a world champion in the 5K against two other GOATs. Shorter wasn’t even a match for Pre in the 5K.
Frank was great. Eliud Kipchoge is the GOAT.
https://www.dyestat.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531&do=news&news_id=623783LRC note. The OP didn't initially have the link in the post nor the quote. Please if you are referring to a story elsewhere try to link to it so people can read it and so the site that published it can get the revenue they deserve. Also, the original title was "Frank Shorter GOAT?"
Give Frank shorter some super-shoes, modern coaching and the 2020's performance-enhancing dope they're all using nowadays and he'd give Eliud a fair fight, for sure.
Kipchoge was about 10 seconds a mile faster on the track than Shorter and it would carry all the way through to the marathon. An ultra might be a different story, though.
Monkeyoo wrote:
mofarah494 wrote:
If you actually saw what Shorter ran races in, you'd laugh. He ran to the race, not the clock. And he called (AlSal) A cheat early on.
Yeah and yet Prefontaine beat him so it is not like Pre was beating the GOAT. The whole notion is laughable.
Funny. Pre and Al Sal had the same coach. Did Pre (Shorter’s buddy) cheat too?
Frank Shorterer wrote:
Marc Bloom makes a good case for Frank Shorter but I think there is one huge gap in Frank’s GOAT resume THE WORLD RECORD.
Bloom wrote:
"In an idealized race between Shorter and Kipchoge at their best, in today’s conditions, and with today’s shoes, I believe we would see a stride-for-stride duel and, who knows, maybe a real time that would threaten 2 hours."
I had trouble accepting the time conversions and think Kipchoge deserves the clear nod on times. If we look back at Shorter and Kipchoge’s track times (where shoe technology and pacing has not played the same role) Shorter is a 27:45 10k runner and Eliud is a 26:49 runner. Eliud was a world champion in the 5K against two other GOATs. Shorter wasn’t even a match for Pre in the 5K.
Frank was great. Eliud Kipchoge is the GOAT.
https://www.dyestat.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531&do=news&news_id=623783LRC note. The OP didn't initially have the link in the post nor the quote. Please if you are referring to a story elsewhere try to link to it so people can read it and so the site that published it can get the revenue they deserve. Also, the original title was "Frank Shorter GOAT?"
It's about the marathon. I have to give the nod to E.K.
My heart is in the Shorter camp, having seen him in so many races. And even had the honor of him blowing by me on Pre's Trail in Eugene.
His masterful performance in Munich was awesome.
Who cares? Gossipy b.s.
Well of course he could, Eliud was only about 10 years old back then.