Here's Why BTC Is Always Burned Out

Nice for what wrote:

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Listen to Chris Derrick explain why he had a rough season. It's sad to see he hasn't beaten his 10k PB he set in college. It seems like Jerry's philosophy is to only go for home runs, not singles and doubles.

The audio clip starts at 44:20ish

BTC, the premier distance running club in the US, has precisely one person lining up in the DL finals (Frerichs). That's as many as the Boston Reebok track club. If BTC athletes are burnt out, it's not from racing at the highest level

High hopes wrote:

BTC, the premier distance running club in the US, has precisely one person lining up in the DL finals (Frerichs). That's as many as the Boston Reebok track club. If BTC athletes are burnt out, it's not from racing at the highest level

How many did reebok Boston have in Lausanne?

Tokyo? Any medalists?

*any of them actually wearing reebok

It’s easy to skew any stats to your own bias, dude.

They always burned out cause they got popped and they can't dope anymore.

cmon man wrote:

High hopes wrote:

BTC, the premier distance running club in the US, has precisely one person lining up in the DL finals (Frerichs). That's as many as the Boston Reebok track club. If BTC athletes are burnt out, it's not from racing at the highest level

How many did reebok Boston have in Lausanne?

Tokyo? Any medalists?

*any of them actually wearing reebok

It’s easy to skew any stats to your own bias, dude.

Answer:

1)0

2)1

3) no

Their only member in Tokyo wasn’t even American, nor was he wearing reebok- Canadian and wearing unbranded dragonflys.

High hopes wrote:

BTC, the premier distance running club in the US, has precisely one person lining up in the DL finals (Frerichs). That's as many as the Boston Reebok track club. If BTC athletes are burnt out, it's not from racing at the highest level

The real question and answer is: How many BTC athletes made it to the Olympics and how many made it to Olympic finals in an Olympic year? In an Olympic year, everything else doesn’t matter.

BTC athletes are taking a break. Much needed by the way. Some of the BTC athletes had to make Olympic standards earlier this year (which is very hard to do) then come back up for the trials and Olympics (very hard to do in distance events).

Burnt out - no. Needing a break physically and mentally - yes. Did BTC do well by focusing on the Olympics - yes. Is it tough to make it in any event at the US Trials - yes. Do other countries have a different system where athletes are selected and therefore don’t have the same pressures to peak and hold that peak through the period from the Trials through the Olympics calendar - yes.

Understand these things before you post “high hopes”

So many ways to rephrase the question.

How could a 14:52 woman with 3:59 speed get absolutely blown away at trials while both BTC women made the Olympic final.

It's funny watching Americans suddenly start caring about the Diamond League Final just as a rhetorical cudgel to bash whichever pro group they don't like. I've seen BTC, NOP, Boss (strangely not NB Boston given they are all shut down now I think?), get thrown under the bus in the past 2 weeks for not having good post Olympic performances. Doesn't come across convincing at all.

And you can expand that beyond the US too. Barega a shadow of himself, the best m800 post Tokyo guy is a dude who couldn't make the final. Muir and Reekie off the boil so far. Hassan couldn't barely split her 10000m pb pace in a 5000 and has cancelled her next race.

Everyone is exhausted. Brutal two years to be a pro track athlete

another perspective wrote:

And you can expand that beyond the US too. Barega a shadow of himself, the best m800 post Tokyo guy is a dude who couldn't make the final. Muir and Reekie off the boil so far. Hassan couldn't barely split her 10000m pb pace in a 5000 and has cancelled her next race.

Everyone is exhausted. Brutal two years to be a pro track athlete

Except Kate Grace. Kate is not burnt out.

NotGonnaWork wrote:

another perspective wrote:

And you can expand that beyond the US too. Barega a shadow of himself, the best m800 post Tokyo guy is a dude who couldn't make the final. Muir and Reekie off the boil so far. Hassan couldn't barely split her 10000m pb pace in a 5000 and has cancelled her next race.

Everyone is exhausted. Brutal two years to be a pro track athlete

Except Kate Grace. Kate is not burnt out.

Neither is Elise Cranny who will be running the mile at Brussels on Friday then, I believe, will be racing the 5k DL finals at Weltklasse based upon her current tie-9th place DL points ranking in that event.

Understand this: the US is sending plenty of sprinters tot he DL final, and those are the men and women who actually brought back medals from Tokyo. You also act like other top distance athletes aren't racing consistently across the year. Kipyegon, Hassan, Muir, Gidey, Cheptegei, Rotich, Ingebrigtsen, etc, etc. You're going to argue that Grant Fisher has had a more punishing schedule than any of those? Maybe those high school track TTs are where the real pressure is in elite T&F.

In any case, the point is not that BTC athletes don't deserve a rest, it's that they burn themselves out doing stuff that barely improves their standing among the elite, like competing in the highest level meets

High hopes wrote:

BTC, the premier distance running club in the US, has precisely one person lining up in the DL finals (Frerichs). That's as many as the Boston Reebok track club. If BTC athletes are burnt out, it's not from racing at the highest level

They're burnt out from training. Look at CD (as the OP stated), Hall, and Infield. They've all said things in the past few months about "being burnt out" from training. I listened to the whole podcast episode and CD mentions overtraining multiple times.

Eating too many burritos makes you slow. Hard on the stomach.

TooManyBurritos wrote:

Eating too many burritos makes you slow. Hard on the stomach.

Woody is vegan

Bower Man wrote:

NotGonnaWork wrote:

Except Kate Grace. Kate is not burnt out.

Neither is Elise Cranny who will be running the mile at Brussels on Friday then, I believe, will be racing the 5k DL finals at Weltklasse based upon her current tie-9th place DL points ranking in that event.

The OPs point is the training is burning these athletes out. Please listen to the audio clip before commenting. Chris is just one of the many athletes to speak on Jerry's training wearing them out.

it seems like a common issue amongst BTC athletes that the training itself is burning them out. Usually you hear about too much racing burning athletes out so it's surprising that BTC doesn't race a lot but many of their athletes are burnt out.

That is Elite Training. They have to push the limit almost daily to reach the highest level. Most people's bodies cannot handle it. Even the Elite with excellent genetics and form sometimes break down. US runners are not alone in this. You can find plenty of stagnation and injury among Africans too.

BTC has had plenty of success over the years, more than most groups. That doesn't mean it will work for every athlete who goes there. They have a lot of athletes to account for this so that hopefully a few will survive and thrive.