POKE IT POKE POKE wrote:
U. Raynuss wrote:
If Newton could have been an effective QB for Belichick he would not have been cut, you can take that to the bank.
are you saying bill belichick knows more about football than lets run experts ?
I am willing to walk right out on that limb, as crazy as it may sound.
llort_vbo wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
It’s been interesting seeing these hybrid QBs over the years fly high at first then come crashing down to the reality of the physical toil of the NFL.
RG3
Cam
Who else?
Alan
IMO Cam >>> RG3, but neither was known for their ability to read an NFL defense. They always say that the NFL is a league of imitation. If you don’t continuously change and innovate, you’ll get figured out in a hurry.
This simply isn’t true of Cam. He was well known as a QB who could manage games better by calling his own plays and audibling the team in and out of sets at the line of scrimmage than being fed a play from the coach and performing it like an unthinking robot. The narrative on Cam is all screwed up. His real problems were 1) poor throwing mechanics, 2) injuries to his throwing shoulder which worsened his bad mechanics, 3) his fashion sense, and 4) his unwillingness to get vaxxed. The last point would seem to make him a LRC darling, but, um, you know…
YMWV wrote:
Uprising wrote:
Another vegan wing nut bites the dust. "Don't eat meat? Get beat!"
Is that you YMMV? Are you still alive? We're worried about you.
Cam was a beaten-up mess and went vegan to try and heal. Didn't really help, but he was no worse after going vegan.
A couple notes on other comments:
RG3 was special before he got injured. Don't include him with QB disappointments. He was not yet good at reading defenses, but he was really special that year. It's criminal how they let him get plastered.
The comment about the black quarterbacks not being intelligent is silly. HOFer Terry Bradshaw plays up being dumb, but actually is not very smart. Ditto Brett Favre. I'm not sure how you judge how smart any of these QBs are anyway.
Well, they’ll use the Wonderlic when it confirms their bias and discard it when it doesn’t. Kaepernick scored a 37 on the Wonderlic, Marino and Kelly scored in the mid-teens, but Kaep is supposedly the one who lacked mighty QB brain power. Cam scored a 21, for what it’s worth.
Playing QB well is only exactly a grand intellectual achievement to guys who’ve spent their whole lives cheering at TV screens.
TechnoTrack wrote:
Love or hate him, he was undeniably a very, very gifted athlete.
Anyone got any good guesses of what track and field event(s) Cam Newton could have been best at?
Some of his measurements and time from 2011 NFL combine.
Height 6'5"/1.96m
Weight 248
40 yards 4.59
Vertical 35"
Broad jump 10'8"
A Cam Newton, at say 190-210 lbs, I would venture to guess he could have potentially achieved:
Sub 50 400m
6'8"+ high jump
23'+ long jump
48'+ triple jump
50'+ shot put
175+ discus
Decathlon honestly. The decathlon records are ridiculously weak. Any number of NFL and NBA players could train for it for a year or two and completely re-write the record books.
*obviously*, not honestly—
Anyway, Cam could have dropped some weight in his 20s and made this Warner character look like the third rate athlete that he is.
I wonder if any NFL team will take a chance on Newton? He was in the perfect position with the Patriots as a veteran with a promising rookie QB, but the Pats didn't want to put up with him and decided to move on. I'd think the chances of him getting a contract aren't good.
He was mentioned as a Dallas interest, but Dallas clearly had their sight set on Will Grier.
rojo togurt wrote:
This simply isn’t true of Cam. He was well known as a QB who could manage games better by calling his own plays and audibling the team in and out of sets at the line of scrimmage than being fed a play from the coach and performing it like an unthinking robot. The narrative on Cam is all screwed up. His real problems were 1) poor throwing mechanics, 2) injuries to his throwing shoulder which worsened his bad mechanics, 3) his fashion sense, and 4) his unwillingness to get vaxxed. The last point would seem to make him a LRC darling, but, um, you know…
Eh, I could see your point. I feel like a number of Cam’s choices from the pocket leave a lot to be desired, but I’ve got no data to back that up. The knock on him when he was healthy was consistency. You have to admit that it’s been a long time since he played at a high level. You also have to admit that Wade Phillip’s D picked him apart in the SB.
llort_vbo wrote:
rojo togurt wrote:
This simply isn’t true of Cam. He was well known as a QB who could manage games better by calling his own plays and audibling the team in and out of sets at the line of scrimmage than being fed a play from the coach and performing it like an unthinking robot. The narrative on Cam is all screwed up. His real problems were 1) poor throwing mechanics, 2) injuries to his throwing shoulder which worsened his bad mechanics, 3) his fashion sense, and 4) his unwillingness to get vaxxed. The last point would seem to make him a LRC darling, but, um, you know…
Eh, I could see your point. I feel like a number of Cam’s choices from the pocket leave a lot to be desired, but I’ve got no data to back that up. The knock on him when he was healthy was consistency. You have to admit that it’s been a long time since he played at a high level. You also have to admit that Wade Phillip’s D picked him apart in the SB.
Agreed. He’s been declining for a while now and was never very consistent, save for the MVP season. And yes, Wade Phillips did a number on him in the SB.
The situation last year in NE was unworkable. Several starters declined to play due to the pandemic, leaving them in the lurch. Bellicheck (I have no idea how to spell his name after writing “Bellicheat” for years) felt like Cam did him a solid by playing for a million bucks and taking a guaranteed ass-whipping every week. Those two seem to really like each other for whatever reason. I’m sure if Cam had got vaxxed he would have had a better shot at making the club.
fisky wrote:
I wonder if any NFL team will take a chance on Newton? He was in the perfect position with the Patriots as a veteran with a promising rookie QB, but the Pats didn't want to put up with him and decided to move on. I'd think the chances of him getting a contract aren't good.
He was mentioned as a Dallas interest, but Dallas clearly had their sight set on Will Grier.
Cam’s flouting of NFL protocol for unvaccinated players is troubling. It’s prima donna behavior he should have outgrown by now. The Pats did the right thing by cutting him.
I’m not sure how much Cam wants to play football given his recent actions. Realistically, he took a pounding last year playing 1940s football. Why keep doing that? He’s rich af. He’s generally a nice, likeable guy, loves wearing ridiculous outfits in public settings and is a good deal smarter than people think. He might be transitioning into the next phase of his celebrity.
This had nothing to do with his vaccination status. Right...
Good to see a lot of NFL teams filling their rosters out with vaccinated players. Some of the stars are still getting away with it but this is a pretty good message to go get the vaccine. You love football that much? Get yourself vaccinated.
I can't wait until unvaccinated fans have to deal with their unvaccinated QBs getting COVID & missing important games. That's a reality I am here for.
rojo togurt wrote:
YMWV wrote:
Is that you YMMV? Are you still alive? We're worried about you.
Cam was a beaten-up mess and went vegan to try and heal. Didn't really help, but he was no worse after going vegan.
A couple notes on other comments:
RG3 was special before he got injured. Don't include him with QB disappointments. He was not yet good at reading defenses, but he was really special that year. It's criminal how they let him get plastered.
The comment about the black quarterbacks not being intelligent is silly. HOFer Terry Bradshaw plays up being dumb, but actually is not very smart. Ditto Brett Favre. I'm not sure how you judge how smart any of these QBs are anyway.
Well, they’ll use the Wonderlic when it confirms their bias and discard it when it doesn’t. Kaepernick scored a 37 on the Wonderlic, Marino and Kelly scored in the mid-teens, but Kaep is supposedly the one who lacked mighty QB brain power. Cam scored a 21, for what it’s worth.
Playing QB well is only exactly a grand intellectual achievement to guys who’ve spent their whole lives cheering at TV screens.
I totally agree with you. Cam is brilliant and was on his way to becoming a Rhodes Scholar as a physics major at Florida before he stole that laptop. I mean, just look how he coordinates the women's clothing he wears. Only a man of superior intellect could conceive of such variations.
POKE IT POKE POKE wrote:
rojo togurt wrote:
Well, they’ll use the Wonderlic when it confirms their bias and discard it when it doesn’t. Kaepernick scored a 37 on the Wonderlic, Marino and Kelly scored in the mid-teens, but Kaep is supposedly the one who lacked mighty QB brain power. Cam scored a 21, for what it’s worth.
Playing QB well is only exactly a grand intellectual achievement to guys who’ve spent their whole lives cheering at TV screens.
I totally agree with you. Cam is brilliant and was on his way to becoming a Rhodes Scholar as a physics major at Florida before he stole that laptop. I mean, just look how he coordinates the women's clothing he wears. Only a man of superior intellect could conceive of such variations.
I mean, since I clearly never said what you’re implying that I said I don’t know what else to say… other than that you’re a troll and Cam is probably trolling all of us with his dumb-ass outfits.
Creepy old man wrote:
I don't see Cam making the HOF with his current body of work.
Look, Randall Cunningham isn't in the HOF, and he had some gaudy rushing numbers, led the league in passing, was a four time pro bowl guy, had one season where he had nearly 1,000 yards rushing and 3500 passing. Went only 3-6 in the playoffs, but overall was 82-52.
Cam's record is weaker, had at most 700 yards rushing in a season, but did score a LOT of touchdowns compared to Cunningham. Has an MVP.
I just don't see Cam getting in if Cunningham can't. Hell they don't even mention Randall Cunningham anymore.
Then you get a guy like Dan Fouts who basically is a .500 quatrerback, never won anything, and he's in the HOF.
Randall gets air time when Vashti in competing.
NERunner0353 wrote:
This had nothing to do with his vaccination status. Right...
Good to see a lot of NFL teams filling their rosters out with vaccinated players. Some of the stars are still getting away with it but this is a pretty good message to go get the vaccine. You love football that much? Get yourself vaccinated.
I can't wait until unvaccinated fans have to deal with their unvaccinated QBs getting COVID & missing important games. That's a reality I am here for.
That's a weird thing to look for. How will you know if the fans are vaccinated or not? Based on percentages the majority are vaxxed.
