ANDRE DE GRASSE 9.74 at Eugene! The successor of BOLT?

Fastest ever clean 100m.

+2.9m/a

Typical Letsrun.

E, OR wrote:

+2.9m/a

Typical Letsrun.

This.

Worth in the vicinity of a 9.97/9.98 in basic.

Marshmallowed Man wrote:

Fastest ever clean 100m.

What makes you think he’s “clean”?

E, OR wrote:

+2.9m/a

Typical Letsrun.

Ah YES, the Canadian gust of wind that only helped out ADG

MollySeidelFanboy wrote:

E, OR wrote:

+2.9m/a

Typical Letsrun.

Ah YES, the Canadian gust of wind that only helped out ADG

You know that wasn't his point, right?

He beat Kerly here....but he lost to him at the Olympics. Where it mattered.

ADG is a great runner. But, keep some perspective, eh? He'll be grateful to medal at the next Olympics is my guess, his window is likely closing.

Unless, of course, he's in good with whatever bologna they are pumping into guys these days. Then maybe he can extend it a bit.

Class act and keeps getting better and better. Just needs to tighten up the start a bit and he'll be the mainstay 100/200 powerhouse for the next few years.

MollySeidelFanboy wrote:

ANDRE DE GRASSE DOES IT AGAIN. USA men goes home DEVASTATED.

Huge PR and he's still only 26.

6 Olympic medals, and will still be in his prime for the next Olympics at the age of 29.

Is he now the true successor of Usain Bolt?

For all that's holy, calm to hell down. It was done with a +3 wind.

beingaguy wrote:

Class act and keeps getting better and better. Just needs to tighten up the start a bit and he'll be the mainstay 100/200 powerhouse for the next few years.

You guys are weird. ADG is a known quantity at this point. He's going to have to fend Lyles off during all these "powerhouse" years over 200, and if the 19.52 from Lyles today is any indication, he may still return to expectations...meaning his ceiling over 200 is likely far higher than ADG in the next few years/Olympics. Plus you have the teenage American who will likely only NOW be starting to expand more into his abilities in the next cycle.

Over 100, he's got Coleman coming back, this teenage kid, and whatever Italian-type shocker you can have...and he's got YEARS of proof (plus the Lyles 100m failed experiment) that "slow" starters tend to STAY that way. So...there isn't likely much "tightening up" available to him there.

We've likely seen peak ADG in terms of medals capability. For you apparent fanboys, just enjoy what you got. Projecting much out from there is likely to leave you feeling disappointed and empty.

Who cares about the future. You do realise the guy just won the Olympics?

morningwateryBM wrote:

E, OR wrote:

+2.9m/a

Typical Letsrun.

This.

Worth in the vicinity of a 9.97/9.98 in basic.

No I think with a legal +2.0 it was worth around 9.80.

Karma Police wrote:

morningwateryBM wrote:

This.

Worth in the vicinity of a 9.97/9.98 in basic.

No I think with a legal +2.0 it was worth around 9.80.

Around 9.90 in still conditions

Karma Police wrote:

morningwateryBM wrote:

This.

Worth in the vicinity of a 9.97/9.98 in basic.

No I think with a legal +2.0 it was worth around 9.80.

Basic indicates NO wind. A 9.74 with a +2.9 likely comes out to a 9.95/9.98 depending on the finer details of altitude. If you want to project that into a +2.0 scenario, then that would probably lead to a 9.87ish +/- .02 (but also depending again on finer altitude details).

If he had the exact same quality race at the Olympic final as he did I this race, he wouldn't have been anywhere near medal range. That's just the facts if wind, folks. Debate it at your leisure, but a lot of maths and history indicate this is an accurate take.

morningwateryBM wrote:

Karma Police wrote:

No I think with a legal +2.0 it was worth around 9.80.

Basic indicates NO wind. A 9.74 with a +2.9 likely comes out to a 9.95/9.98 depending on the finer details of altitude. If you want to project that into a +2.0 scenario, then that would probably lead to a 9.87ish +/- .02 (but also depending again on finer altitude details).

If he had the exact same quality race at the Olympic final as he did I this race, he wouldn't have been anywhere near medal range. That's just the facts if wind, folks. Debate it at your leisure, but a lot of maths and history indicate this is an accurate take.

I'll admit my maths was way off. I dunno what I was thinking. I out it through the actual calculator and it's worth a basic 9.87. With a perfect wind it could end up at 9.77ish. But I hate always projecting to a "perfect" wind. What's the point of that? That would also mean in a perfect scenario the Italian would have went 9.70. Come on.

That basic 9.87 is pretty much his olympic final result, though, right?

You're clearly not much of an analyst eh? You're basing Lyles 200m as "far higher" than ADG based on what? ADG beating him at the olympics with a better top end?? a mere 1/10th faster on a faster track? Bit confused on that comment. Also we'll never see doper Jacobs again so count him out. Coleman who knows what will happen with him and so many burn out teenagers. Good analysis.....

Furthermore - ADG had -0.5 in Tokyo and Lyles had +1.5 in Eugene which actually makes ADG time faster wind corrected!!

ADG also had to run 5 races prior to olympic Final!

beingaguy wrote:

Furthermore - ADG had -0.5 in Tokyo and Lyles had +1.5 in Eugene which actually makes ADG time faster wind corrected!!

ADG also had to run 5 races prior to olympic Final!

My Lyles "analysis" is built on the fact that he ran a 19.50 TWO YEARS AGO. That, to me, implies a higher ceiling, particularly if you consider his 2020 and 2021 as blips on his progression, rather than an indication that his talent has degraded/ceiling lowered. I consider his (Lyles) 19.52 today not necessarily a sign that he is straight up BETTER than ADG RIGHT NOW, but instead that his 19.8x/19.7x 2020-2021 form was certainly not him hitting his current ceiling. Going sub 19.6, regardless of the finer points of the environment, is the first sign that he still has that 2019 *and before* ability in him if he gets his stuff together.

So, to me, that means his ceiling is still higher. Everything is more complicated than simple this+that=THIS, but how many times has ADG gone sub 19.6? Keep in mind, Lyles has done it TWICE now. Considering this, it's certainly not gangbusters that ADG can get another gold over 200 at a world or Olympics ever again, despite this "it's his throne now" fanboy bluster.

Now, if you think he can out-dual Lyles through rounds again at a other major championship, I grant you that's you've got a good argument. But he'll have to mind his p's and q's to do it (in my estimation), if he can do it at all. And if Lyles puts HIS stuff back in order...I'd say ADG can't stop him again, regardless. And that's all not even including the prodigy kid.

If Lyles doesn't figure out his stuff and 2021 is just who he is now, today's 19.52 be dam? Then, sure, ADG will keep getting him. I guess we'll see.

Haha dude - quit trying to justify your silly remark. Just admit that saying Lyles has a "far higher" ceiling than ADG is a dumb thing to say. They have virtually identical times (when factoring for wind) and yet you say one is "far" higher than the other (even though the other just beat him at the olympic games and would have very likely run even faster if he didn't have 5 races in his legs!). If you would have said they'll have some good head to heads I wouldn't be arguing right now but to say Lyles is "FAR" higher is just plain silly.

If Lyles goes 19.3x in the next few years, regardless of in a one-off or at a champs, then my "far higher ceiling" is spot on.

If he doesn't, then you're right.

ADG doesn't have 19.3x in him. Ever. He's just not that kind of runner. Lyles having run a 19.5 two years ago, indicates he very well COULD have that in him, assuming the last two years were a training mess for him more than others.

If today's 19.52 is the best Lyles can muster as a "max" over the next four years? Then sure, he and SDG will have some good head to heads, and I was an idiot.

But I still see 19.3x capability in Lyles, so I'm sticking to my "far higher ceiling" comment. If he goes there in the future, ADG can't follow.