"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Wuss alert wrote:

Wrong those of us who study the data and offer an alternative perspective are silenced and our accounts are shut down. I know people like yourself justify the censorship as "anti-vaxxer" and worthy of censorship but your myopic sins will be exposed before long. Science moves forward. I really wish the NIH/CDC would use my tax dollars wisely by conducting a head-to-head study vs unvaccinated control in young ppl. But they aren't endeavoring to conduct solid science. No, they're endeavoring to sell the masses on crappy science. And my feeling is that you've bought it, like a good government patsy. Congratulations dimwit!

Lol. There's a tsunami of data out there on the efficacy and safety of the vaccines, and when confronted with it you lash out to anyone who disagrees with you or attempts to engage in dialogue regarding it as a "government patsy". But it's alright, continue on ahead with "doing your own research" (I cringe when antivaxxers say that, as if they know what proper research is.)

Hi Harambe!

Yes notice how all of the 'efficacy and safety' studies fail to use proper control arms (eg previously infected). Also, notice how they contrive the studies to get out of having to perform gold standard head-to-head, adequately powered and properly controlled OUTCOMES studies. They conduct surrogate biomarker studies up the wazoo though. And the fact you point to these crappy studies as demonstrative of efficacy and safety shows your absolute ignorance. Yo are a brain turd.

Dew wrote:

troll_69 wrote:

Lol. There's a tsunami of data out there on the efficacy and safety of the vaccines, and when confronted with it you lash out to anyone who disagrees with you or attempts to engage in dialogue regarding it as a "government patsy". But it's alright, continue on ahead with "doing your own research" (I cringe when antivaxxers say that, as if they know what proper research is.)

Hi Harambe!

Come on guys, you can do better than this. Is this the only response there is to arguments for vaccine efficacy? There must be something better, even if your position is utterly untenable to begin with.

The original studies for Pfizer and Moderna claimed 95% "efficacy".

If you look into what that actually meant, they claimed their studies showed over a 2 month period that those who were not vaxxed were getting Covid 19 times as much as were the vaccinated.

This means they claimed that their trials were stopping people from getting infected.

As time went by, it became clear that lots of fully vaxxed people were getting Covid. In fact, in England and Israel, they were getting it as much as the non vaxxed.

At that point the narrative was altered to say the vaccines do nor prevent transmission. They instead lessen symptoms.

And the Believers continue to swallow what we are being told.

“The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”

Bwhahaahahaahhhahaheheheeheheaheahahahah! The registration studies defined efficacy in terms of prevention of a covid sniffle. The 95%+ efficacy they showed is meaningless. Because they CONTRIVED the science to win. And now we're seeing these vaccines fail in massive way w/re to infection control. The vaccinated are contracting, incubating and spreading the virus and are serving as perfect incubators for more dangerous mutations. How long until these leaky vaccines spawn immune-evasive variants. And how long until the vaccines fail w/regard to hospitalization and deaths. Your guess is as good as mine because still, to this date, they have not been held to conduct the gold standard efficacy/safety OUTCOMES studies. Oh well, public school educated morons are lapping up the crappy contrived science.

Harambe wrote:

Bullet_Proof wrote:

^ to any normal, reasonable person, they examine these numbers and determine: "ya know, even if I get covid, there's a really strong chance I will be fine. I will continue to live my life normally. Even if my relative gets it, there's a really strong chance they will brush it off too. I choose to remain calm and not become hysterical."

I love that you still can’t admit vaccines works. You just have insert “allegedly” to signal to your tribe that, don’t worry, you’re still swallowing the antivaxx propaganda.

Also, is it “hysterical” to get a safe and effective vaccine that dramatically improves outcomes, lowers load on healthcare systems, and prevents transmission in the community. Especially when you’re vaccinating against a virus that has caused 700k excess deaths in under 2 years?

It is hysterical to force people. Yout side took it one step top far. Case in point: if people like you were not hysterical, they wouldn't force others to get the vaccine and encourage (and force) employers to develop policies which threaten termination.

They would look at the survival rates, which I astutely posted above, and chill.

To repeat, 99.97% chance at surviving. That is what you are hysterical about.

And, for ADDITIONAL protection and peace of mind, they would get the vaccine, and chill.

And leave other people alone.

You have to admit that you and people like you are hysterical. Even if you don't, that is essentially the path you've chosen. Funny how people claim covid is an emergency on social media yet when you see their pictures on facebook, they are partying, travelling, acting as if life is ok. I thought you guys said we are in a state of emergency!

Gotta love the mixed signals!

When it comes to excessive vax mandates, you're suffering from a problem of authenticity.

How about all the politicians caught not socially distancing? Not wearing masks? They make pretty heavy statements about "covid emergency measures" yet they themselves don't seem to be as frightened as the gravity of their executive orders.

How about those illegal immigrants? This is not what-aboutism. This is an honest question. How come vaccine mandates do not apply 100% to every adult human within our territory?

Your side looks at people in the grocery store who happen to let out a cough as if they are not your fellow Americans but rather these giant germs. Who need to be "removed." That mentality is quite evil and lacks empathy that all humans get sick. It is a fact of life. The flu similar in that it is communicable, it can sometimes kill people, and there is a vaccine for it. People can choose to get the flu shot. Or not. And life goes on.

I am the chill one, bro. But hey, keep trying to convince us normal, breathing, hope-filled optimistic, and confident people that the world is ending. You'll only prove my point further: you are hysterical when it comes to vaccine mandates.

troll_69 wrote:

Dew wrote:

Hi Harambe!

Come on guys, you can do better than this. Is this the only response there is to arguments for vaccine efficacy? There must be something better, even if your position is utterly untenable to begin with.

Yes, survival rates: 99.97% chance of surviving covid. And that is if you're unvaccinated! Those are really good odds. If I had those odds playing powerball, I would be a millionaire by now.

Good point. It is tempting to employ that strategy and ignore their noise. But our silence has allowed them to indulge their insanity way too far. Sometimes it is good to speak up, to let other normal people know they are not alone.

And also to fight against unethical mandates.

Somebody posted this a few pages back, blowing up the "99.97%!" FALSEHOOD.

The Unkle wrote:

The original studies for Pfizer and Moderna claimed 95% "efficacy".

If you look into what that actually meant, they claimed their studies showed over a 2 month period that those who were not vaxxed were getting Covid 19 times as much as were the vaccinated.

This means they claimed that their trials were stopping people from getting infected.

As time went by, it became clear that lots of fully vaxxed people were getting Covid. In fact, in England and Israel, they were getting it as much as the non vaxxed.

At that point the narrative was altered to say the vaccines do nor prevent transmission. They instead lessen symptoms.

And the Believers continue to swallow what we are being told.

“The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”

It was promoted as the Unicorn vaccine with that 95% "efficacy" rating. Big Pharma said the vaccines would end the pandemic and V-Day was declared - no more masks, no more social distancing, no more testing. Lol.

And here we have Arizona Cardinal's HC Kliff Kingsbury & 4 others including staring DE Zach Allen all testing positive & having to miss tomorrow's huge game against Cleveland. The Cardinals have a 100% vaccination rate! Lol.

I'll take my naturally-acquired immunity over this vaccine anyday.

This is so dumb. It is a 99.97 % chance if you are an average aged human. Why are you lumping 80+ people into this category. Everyone knows the rates is much higher in these brackets. If you are 30-40 years old your chances of death are very very low. This has been known the entire time and is on the CDC website; vax or no vax.

There have been about 44,000 deaths among people under the age of 50; this is about 0.02% of the 200,000,000 people in the US in this age bracket; hence 99.98%. Now, if we assume only 1/3 of the US has gotten covid, then we would be at around a 99.94% survival rate under the age of 50.

There have been about 670,000 deaths in age brackets above 50 which includes about 100,000,000 people; this is about 0.7 % of this age bracket; and again if we assume only 1/3 have been infected then we are talking about a about a 98% survival rate even if you are over the age of 50.

Now if you are over the age of 80, we have seen about 380,000 deaths in this age group of about 13,000,000. Assuming they are again 1/3 infected this would mean the survival rate in this age group is around 91 %. This is the group we should be worrying about. People aged 30 should not be afraid to live in the world for any reason unless they have a compromised immune system.

I agree.

I really like your longer post above as well.

troll_69 wrote:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/unvaccinated-man-met-doctor-bar-114035034.html

Weird, I met my own doctor at his office and he told me that at my age I did not need to get vaccinated for this virus. I told him I had to in order to keep my job and he just shrugged his shoulders and we moved on to talking about other things. He did not seemed concerned at all about covid. Weird what real doctors do.

curious cat... wrote:

Is there a C19 vax that uses actual C19 viral material, dead or inactive? You know, like the annual flu vax's?

And, if so, how is it doing in its effectiveness?

Sinovac is one yeah? And the Russian one?

They’re mostly crap.

Wuss alert wrote:

Yes notice how all of the 'efficacy and safety' studies fail to use proper control arms (eg previously infected). Also, notice how they contrive the studies to get out of having to perform gold standard head-to-head, adequately powered and properly controlled OUTCOMES studies. They conduct surrogate biomarker studies up the wazoo though. And the fact you point to these crappy studies as demonstrative of efficacy and safety shows your absolute ignorance. Yo are a brain turd.

They are literally running the outcome studies you request. They are much, much slower and more expensive than collecting blood from 50 patients and looking at immune bio markers. Control arms are a bit challenging as you can argue it’s unethical to give a placebo vaccine now.

Thus, you should be ok with observational data: There’s reams of observational data being collected by national health orgs in Israel, UK, and USA.

Shockingly we have been studying immunology for more than a few months and understand what biomarkers generally correlate with real-world efficacy. It’s not perfect data but it’s much easier to gather than running a big RCT.

Did you forget the phase III rcts run last year as well?

Ok we get it, you just do not care that 700k more Americans have died over the last 18 months than prior trends would suggest.

You do not care those excess deaths are after at most 50% attack rate, suggesting 1.4 million excess deaths in an uncontrolled pandemic (Delta herd immunity threshold is very high).

You also don’t care that getting COVID is bad. For every person who died there were 3-5 more who spent a good chunk of time in the hospital. And maybe 10-20x more laid low with bad symptoms for days. And lots who are still dealing with respiratory damage.

That fact is, a vast majority of current deaths would be prevented with mass vaccination. Had everyone done the smart thing, we wouldn’t be seeing thousands of deaths a day. We gave people the chance to make decisions for themselves but too many morons decided to fall for propaganda and look what happened: thousands dead, hospitals filled, mass tragedy again.

Now, faced with being totally wrong over and over again, you choose to get all hysterical about government “mandates” which still don’t force anyone to get vaccinated (can test in lieu).

If you’re mad about private employers setting rules for their employees, maybe move to a socialist European state with more workers rights?

Lastly if you’re upset that your employer is forcing you to get the vax… maybe there’s a reason they’re the boss and you’re just an employee?

Nobody is afraid of the world. Smart people just recognize a few things:

1) COVID is bad. Even if you don’t die you can get sick for weeks, lose tons of money in the hospital, and suffer long term damage.

2) spreading COVID is bad

3) the vaccine protects against 1 and 2

4) the vaccine is extremely safe. Even if there’s a 1:5000 chance of dying of COVID the vaccine is far far less risky. It’s extremely simple math. Shot = far less chance of bad things happening from COVID. It’s easy, cheap, and effective. And made in America :)

Harambe wrote:

curious cat... wrote:

Is there a C19 vax that uses actual C19 viral material, dead or inactive? You know, like the annual flu vax's?

And, if so, how is it doing in its effectiveness?

Sinovac is one yeah? And the Russian one?

They’re mostly crap.

So, what makes them ineffective? Why is C19 so special that we need mRNA shots, instead of normal vaccines derived from the virus?