flyingfrog wrote:
Plea from healthcare provider "100% of abrtsn are fatal. All of the victims are young children. Please stop this before you get your vaccination."
A fetus is not a child, so, you lose.
flyingfrog wrote:
Plea from healthcare provider "100% of abrtsn are fatal. All of the victims are young children. Please stop this before you get your vaccination."
A fetus is not a child, so, you lose.
Jzs wrote:
The Unkle wrote:
The overwhelming majority of Covid cases are mild whether vaxxed or not.
Get vaxxed and you can still get the virus, still pass it on, still have to mask up. Plus you live with the uncertainty of long term problems from the vaxx.
^… this. You get covid LITE … , Vaxxed still have the same viral load as unvaccinated… this just as able to spread. The mask doesn’t work..it’s just a tool of the left to control and subdue the gullible.
This is wrong.
1) Vaccinated people are much less likely to become infected - so the total viral per capita viral load of vax vs unvax is much lower
2) Viral decreases much faster (even if it starts at the same level) in vax vs unvax. This means vax have a much shorter transmissibility window.
Tommy2Nuttz wrote:
no peace until wrote:
While there is tons of misinformation coming from BOTH sides and very mixed scientific messages, ......
Kindly get lost with your "both sides" nonsense.
Tell us which Left wing argument has resulted in people literally killing themselves with Covid.
This lies ENTIRELY on the Republicans and epecially on the ignorant Trump voters. Its people like you who wont clue them into the realities of the Deltavariant,.
Its YOUR PARTY that is getting YOUR OWN BASE killed and spreading it to the rest of us.
And you're busy whining about the both sides crap.
Hey shythead, there's more to the world than the US of A.
Are people from other countries who disagree with you also Republicans?
Grow up and try to accept that maybe, just maybe, other people have different opinions and maybe, just maybe, they are as valid as yours.
Tommy2Nuttz wrote:
no peace until wrote:
While there is tons of misinformation coming from BOTH sides and very mixed scientific messages, ......
Kindly get lost with your "both sides" nonsense.
Tell us which Left wing argument has resulted in people literally killing themselves with Covid.
This lies ENTIRELY on the Republicans and epecially on the ignorant Trump voters. Its people like you who wont clue them into the realities of the Deltavariant,.
Its YOUR PARTY that is getting YOUR OWN BASE killed and spreading it to the rest of us.
And you're busy whining about the both sides crap.
Kindly check the vaccination rate for Blacks and get back with us. Unless you think the majority of Black Americans are Trump-voting Republicans.
no peace until wrote:
I am a health care provider in the south. Right now, we are exploding with in patient Covid + patients. 95% or so are non vaccinated. I am a staunch Conservative. I hate that the virus and vaccine have become so politicized. While there is tons of misinformation coming from BOTH sides and very mixed scientific messages, the vaccine is the best tool we have to combat the virus and get back, or at least close to, normal. It's not perfect, but it is very effective. I got one and urge you to. Please consider.
No, not being fat or diabetic is the best tool we have to combat the virus and get back, but nobody mentions that.
OOOf, thisthat wrote:
No, not being fat or diabetic is the best tool we have to combat the virus and get back, but nobody mentions that.
well that eliminates 90% of anti-vaxxers
False! How can you claim you get a less severe version of covid after being vaxxed? Sources please!!
dex wrote:
OOOf, thisthat wrote:
No, not being fat or diabetic is the best tool we have to combat the virus and get back, but nobody mentions that.
well that eliminates 90% of anti-vaxxers
Be quiet, lardo.
incorrect. Demonstrably stupid opinions aren't valid. They are feelings. That's the problem here. People like you think every opinion is equal. So you elevate for really dumb ideas.
Maybe it's the only way people will pay attention to you. Which is sad.
no peace until wrote:
I am a health care provider in the south. Right now, we are exploding with in patient Covid + patients. 95% or so are non vaccinated. I am a staunch Conservative. I hate that the virus and vaccine have become so politicized. While there is tons of misinformation coming from BOTH sides and very mixed scientific messages, the vaccine is the best tool we have to combat the virus and get back, or at least close to, normal. It's not perfect, but it is very effective. I got one and urge you to. Please consider.
As a healthcare provider, would you mind shedding some light on what about the Covid vaccines is unique and should not give concern of potential Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE)?
The vast majority of scientific information and inquiry I’ve read that’s now being viewed as “conservative” for raising concerns over the Covid vaccines are centered on the fact that vaccines were never made available for other coronaviruses like SARS, MERS, or common cold due to ADE.
I would genuinely be curious to know what about the vaccines for Covid-19 should alleviate my concern about ADE and prompt me to get a vaccine.
Remember that line about "95% effective" in the first 3 months the shots were administered ? Provincetown proved that was a lie. Now today, there's this news:
https://www.yahoo.com/now/data-suggests-pfizer-modernas-vaccines-090012364.html
My next door neighbor is a pediatric ICU nurse. She just got back from vacation and walked into an ICU full of kids with COVID. There are significantly more pediatric COVID patients now than during the fall/winter surge or any prior ones. Clearly, the Delta variant is causing more severe illness in kids and is spreading faster in kids. And public schools have not even started yet.
Vaccines are not a personal choice about your health. Vaccines are about protecting everyone in the community. The risk of hospitalization if you are vaccinated is a tiny fraction of the risk if you are not vaccinated. If everyone was vaccinated in TX, the governor would not be putting out a desperate call for out of state health care workers to come to the state to assist with emergency rooms and ICUs.
The risk for breakthrough infections for vaccinated people is also a tiny fraction of the risk of infection for the unvaccinated. When you are vaccinated, you reduce transmission in the community. If you are not vaccinated, you can increase transmission. More cases mean higher risks for school aged children who are not vaccinated and for the 5 million or so immunocompromised who get little protection from the vaccine.
But the most important reason to be vaccinated at this put is that lower levels of transmission mean fewer variants. The Delta variant is currently the Goldilocks variant in that it has just the right levels of transmissibility. As Delta burns quickly through the unvaccinated, its continued survival will depend on either naturally acquired immunity waning and the unvaccinated getting another round of COVID in 6 months to a year or defeating vaccine acquired immunity. If the latter happens, we are absolutely back to day one and may never return to life as it was before COVID.
Arrhenius wrote:
If 95% of the folks getting covid and in hospitals now are unvaxxed, what do you care? You are vaxxed, so you should be happy and have absolutely nothing to worry about. I am unvaxxed and am more than willing on taking on the risk of getting the delta, delta+, lambda, or whatever new variant comes our way. My salvation is from Christ, not from some man-made vaccine! I don't live my life in fear!
Translation: Bring back polio!
JustSayinIt wrote:
no peace until wrote:
I am a staunch Conservative. I hate that the virus and vaccine have become so politicized. While there is tons of misinformation coming from BOTH sides
Er uhm no. There is tons of disinformation/misinformation out there. The MAJORITY of it is coming from right wing sources. They seem to be against vaccines, social distancing, masks (even in schools where under 12s can't get vaccinated) because they don't want 'big government' taking away their freeDUMBs. Look at Florida, TX where the Republican governors plan to withhold funding from schools that try to implement mask mandates. Unfortunately the pandemic has been politicized largely because of the actions of the former guy and now there is a lot of grandstanding in an attempt to 'own' the libs where the real issue should be about public health.
Thanks for your lengthy response, but every thing you posted is opinion. This opinion obviously came from liberal sources. Get the vaccine. Please. Attack the opponents all you want.
flyingfrog wrote:
Plea from healthcare provider "100% of abrtsn are fatal. All of the victims are young children. Please stop this before you get your vaccination."
As a Conservative, I detest abortions, but this thread is not about that.
just saiyan wrote:
no peace until wrote:
I am a health care provider in the south. Right now, we are exploding with in patient Covid + patients. 95% or so are non vaccinated. I am a staunch Conservative. I hate that the virus and vaccine have become so politicized. While there is tons of misinformation coming from BOTH sides and very mixed scientific messages, the vaccine is the best tool we have to combat the virus and get back, or at least close to, normal. It's not perfect, but it is very effective. I got one and urge you to. Please consider.
I would urge people so make sure they get adequate sunshine/Vit D, lose weight so that they are no longer obese, exercise regularly, sleep well, and eat a healthy diet before all else if they're concerned about a cold.
With the vaccine, this totally adds to the best available regimen.
Deer antivaxx morons,
Can’t believe this has to be said but please do not take horse worm medicine to treat your impending Covid Delta infection unless you are, in fact, a horse.
Steve The Addict^^^^^^^------- wrote:
These oppressors have told us lie after lie. They said once 70 percent were vaccinated we'd have all reached herd immunity. Then they said you are only good for 6 months amd need booster shots. Then they said they want everyone vaccinated and threatening vaccine passes and passports to oppressively separate people and tale more freedoms away. Story keeps changing without accountability. The thing with the government, nothing is good enough for them and they always press for more compliance. That is pure grooming amd manipulation right there. Like the kid who keeps saying "one more time mommy" 100 times over. Give them an inch, they'll take a mile.
You say some crazy stuff. However, you also see and say facts that others refuse to, so for that, I respect you. My opinion, is to get the vaccine (one of Mans greatest accomplishments) . Ignore the rest of the political divide.
Tommy2Nuttz wrote:
no peace until wrote:
While there is tons of misinformation coming from BOTH sides and very mixed scientific messages, ......
Kindly get lost with your "both sides" nonsense.
Tell us which Left wing argument has resulted in people literally killing themselves with Covid.
This lies ENTIRELY on the Republicans and epecially on the ignorant Trump voters. Its people like you who wont clue them into the realities of the Deltavariant,.
Its YOUR PARTY that is getting YOUR OWN BASE killed and spreading it to the rest of us.
And you're busy whining about the both sides crap.
Please help me understand:
1) Why TX and FL - with their Republican governors - are mentioned but no mention is given to the state of Louisiana right now where the surging numbers have been most dramatic? Could it be that for all the decrying of making this a “political thing”, you refuse to bring states run by one side (ie JBE is a Democratic governor) into the equation and harp only on those you will hear on the main stream headlines?
2) Last I checked, some of the demographics with lowest vaccination rates are African American and Hispanic Americans. Again, if you want to make this political, please tell me how the very groups you’d be least likely to ascribe Trump support to are the ones who are most hesitant, yet you’re comfortable somehow bringing a vote for Trump into this as a barometer of whether a valid concern can be had or not
Precious Roy wrote:
Vaccines are not a personal choice about your health
Wrong.