Gjert Ingebrigtsen: "Cheruyiot will never beat Jakob again"

Well let's do a small reasoning for your small brain...

Who were the big European names in the last 20 years?

Kipkter breaking a 16 old record (?!)

Mo Farah? (managing to get 4 Olympic Gold medals)

S. Hassan? (managing to get a historic double 1500m/10000m)

Mohammed Mourhit (wining two world Cross Country championship for Belgium)

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and maybe something can come from your nightmare Katir for Spain in the close future (who know?)

paremata wrote:

People are mistaken if they think it is about the kick. The race was already won heading into the last lap. Cheruiyot was in control and Jakob was just holding on. My guess is just the sign that it is the end of racing season and time to start getting back to work. It will be great to watch in future seasons if both of them can stay healthy. There are obviously others there also who can help. McSweyn has been strong all season.

No, Jakob was pretty comfortable after the pace slowed. Both guys were feeling the early pace/fatigue of the season and a 3:28 was not in the cards. Tim didn't have much left in general, so he went to the front kept it slow and then held enough in reserve to hold off Jakob who is just not an explosive kicker.

Brad C Jnr the 3rd wrote:

It's 13 - 2. Are you saying the Tokyo or the Prefontaine Mile was the 'not healthy' Tim.

What is the adult head to head between the two? Something like 4-2 to Tim?

Jakob wasn't healthy in Monaco, so let's make that 3-2 to Tim.

Tokyo and Pre Tim was clearly hampered by injury. At Pre, he didn't even attempt to run near his top-end ability. At Tokyo, he ran the first 150 cautiously and didn't feel healthy enough to kick the last 150. Jakob earned gold with a stellar performance, but that wasn't the Tim we've seen since 2018.

Monaco, Jakob was healthy but definitely light on training after taking time off due to sickness. You can scrap that one if you want.

Going from 2019, it would be 8-2 Tim (leaving Monaco out) so I don't know how you get 3-2. Jakob was plenty good in 2019 as the clear world #2 in the 1500 aside from a mismanaged race/World Champs in Doha.

I think the pair of them need to look over their shoulder at Kerr. He's already got the ability to kick off a hard pace, if he can improve his endurance over the next year, he's a big threat. If Kerr is on the shoulder of Jakob and Tim with 300 to go, I'd put my money on Kerr. Then again, it's a long way to the World Champs, maybe even Katir will rediscover his form

TL wrote:

"Tokyo and Pre Tim was clearly hampered by injury. At Pre, he didn't even attempt to run near his top-end ability. At Tokyo, he ran the first 150 cautiously and didn't feel healthy enough to kick the last 150. Jakob earned gold with a stellar performance, but that wasn't the Tim we've seen since 2018.

Monaco, Jakob was healthy but definitely light on training after taking time off due to sickness. You can scrap that one if you want.

Going from 2019, it would be 8-2 Tim (leaving Monaco out) so I don't know how you get 3-2. Jakob was plenty good in 2019 as the clear world #2 in the 1500 aside from a mismanaged race/World Champs in Doha. "

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I don´t know why you think Tim "was clearly hampered by an injury" in Tokyo and all season?! Tim ran a new PB this year (even though he in my opinion peaked in 2019) and ran faster in Tokyo than in Doha 2019 so if he was hampered by injury it was difficult to see this from his results!

The difference between Doha 2019 and Tokyo 2021 was Jakob´s jump in level. And also other runners most notably Kerr were coming close to Tim too.

So in the rivalry between Tim and Jakob you can´t derive anything from Jakob´s performances in 2019.

And agreeing with other posters here I assume Jakob will be clearly superior to Tim from next year provided he continues his steady improvements and barring illness and injury.

Oh, dear! Look what happens when one decides to go on a month-long off-the-grid digital detox, camping in the beautiful Kenyan wilderness protected at night from lions, hyenas, elephants and buffalo by only a flimsy tent.

Tim's hamstring issues mean he's still not at his best and I still think it was a bad idea to let him race, but the return of training partner Elijah Manangoi should make next season molto interessante for all fans of the sport. And as the comically oblivious Marie Antoinette would probably say to Papa Ingebrigtsen and his son - "Let them eat crow".

objectiveobserver wrote:

TL wrote:

The difference between Doha 2019 and Tokyo 2021 was Jakob´s jump in level. And also other runners most notably Kerr were coming close to Tim too.

So in the rivalry between Tim and Jakob you can´t derive anything from Jakob´s performances in 2019.

And agreeing with other posters here I assume Jakob will be clearly superior to Tim from next year provided he continues his steady improvements and barring illness and injury.

The difference between Doha 2019 and Tokyo 2021 is Tim was so hobbled by injury that he only got into the Kenyan team on a technicality after finishing a distant fourth at the trials. He was not at his best.

Passant, are you not going to post your foreign language video about unfettered EPO users?