Can someone explain what “ Twisties” is in gymnastics and is there a similar occurrence in running?

trashcan wrote:

Bound4Glory wrote:

Simone qualified Number 1 in the world in the all-around just two days before. So, no yips then.

Sounds more like she simply could not handle the pressure, which is basically what she said. I can't blame her. I'm sure I could not handle it either.

If you read on the yips at all, sudden appearance is part of the picture. Sounds like she may have had an issue with the twisties notably in the vault.

Posters are bringing in their experiences and observations of yips as suffered by baseball pitchers who no longer can throw ball over the plate, batters in baseball, NFL receivers all of a sudden who can no longer catch a ball and golfers. Twisties are different. Ballerinas, S&D divers and gymnasts have been suffering low level contrecoup effect to brain for years since they were three or so years old, slamming brain from one side of skull to other side of skull while doing mid-air spins. After awhile, brain says no mas. Do we know Biles has not been having difficulty in practice? For most athletes/ballerinas who start aging out, decisions are made in practice. Since Biles is so good, we see the decisions being made in front of a national audience.

Is this where the saying, "don't get your panties twisted" comes from?

And for that racist POS singling out two of the major Hispanic-American women distance runners for having issues, get a life.

Bound4Glory wrote:

T&F club dad and S&D club dad wrote:

There are only a few activities that an athlete does or attempts to do a 720 degree mid-air spin, ballet, gymnastics and competitive diving.

That's true. But Simone did all that stuff quite well two days before when she qualified first in the world. So, clearly no yips. Just pressure.

actually she had some problems in prelims as well, just not as large.

T&F club dad and S&D club dad wrote:

Posters are bringing in their experiences and observations of yips as suffered by baseball pitchers who no longer can throw ball over the plate, batters in baseball, NFL receivers all of a sudden who can no longer catch a ball and golfers. Twisties are different. Ballerinas, S&D divers and gymnasts have been suffering low level contrecoup effect to brain for years since they were three or so years old, slamming brain from one side of skull to other side of skull while doing mid-air spins. After awhile, brain says no mas. Do we know Biles has not been having difficulty in practice? For most athletes/ballerinas who start aging out, decisions are made in practice. Since Biles is so good, we see the decisions being made in front of a national audience.

Thanks, this was a good explanation. Makes a lot of sense.

outabounds wrote:

Curious if someone who is knowledgeable can explain and if this seemingly neurological disorder occurs in running?

I've read the first page of this thread and I'll have to agree with a few posters. I've experienced vertigo twice. In my case it felt like my face was trying to spin off of my skull.

And a few other posters have mentioned how it must be very difficult to know exactly where you are when doing these flips and spins.

Until Simone Biles started doing some of these moves the only athletes I can remember attempting them were high divers. Those people weren't as worried as a gymnasts. They could flop their routine and harmlessly belly flop in the pool. Gymnasts don't have that luxury. I'm sure the thought of injury because of failure is always in the back of their minds.

I'm a runner like most of the posters here. When I wipeout I usually skin my knee. Some other sports are more hazardous than running. I can empathize with people when they become overcome with their sport or livelihood.

Poor girl/woman is only 24 but by gymnastics standards she's washed up/yesterdays news. Poor kid, my heart goes out to her.

spotter of fools wrote:

Did you watch the qualifying rounds? How about, did you even read any of the multiple threads started about endless errors she made in the qualifying rounds.

Yes. And if you read LRC after the qualifying rounds, you saw hundreds of posts from people like you, probably you in fact, arguing that she was on top of her game, and that you can't judge a performance by the landing, and that she fully deserved the scores she received.

So, you can't have it both ways. 3 days ago you said she was in peak form. Now you're saying "endless errors".

Here's the verifiable fact: She had the highest score of any gymnast after the qualifying round.

Judges obviously had to punch her ticket to the finals at the expense of the fourth best gymnast. She got higher scores for worse execution of the same moves her teammates were accomplishing. I wouldn't be surprised if she already felt a bit off and wanted to bail before the finals, but no one was going to let that happen.

HappyJack wrote:

Poor girl/woman is only 24 but by gymnastics standards she's washed up/yesterdays news.

She's fully grown at age 24 and she's still the best in the world. Age won't matter for her. Piece of cake to come back in 2024, only three years away, and redeem herself. That's what a GOAT would do. Look at Tom Brady or Shaun White. I'm rooting for her!

This is not exactly the same thing, but lots of runners who have experienced a major injury (Achilles tear, hamstring tear, etc.), can never get back the ability to push themselves to the utmost. The memory of the injury causes them almost unconsciously to pull back slightly from a maximum effort. It's one of the reasons that many runners who have had a full physical recovery, at least as far as it appear in training, can never quite get back to pre-injury performances.

Easy Quit wrote:

You have no understanding of energy systems. Your $100 watch can tell you how many calories you burned during a 15 minute 5k race. It can tell you how many calories you burned during rest. Then walk 15 minutes and see that calories burned is somewhere in between. It is simple indisputable science that proves it is easer to rest than to walk than to run. It is easier to rest than to do a gymnastics routine. Biles' teammates probably burned 1000 calories while she sat watching. Their activity was harder. Her activity was easier. You are trying to argue a basic fact. You can sit and watch gymnastics but you can't complete the routines because it is 1000 times harder than watching.

...You think she quit because..she was tired?

The "twisties" is the affliction that Chubby Checker suffered from that was described in detail his early sixties hit record.

Flinch wrote:

This is not exactly the same thing, but lots of runners who have experienced a major injury (Achilles tear, hamstring tear, etc.), can never get back the ability to push themselves to the utmost.

Tom Brady, GOAT, came back from an ACL tear and won four more superbowls, and counting.

Simone can do it.

Immediately thought of that Lost Coordination In Left Leg Thread. Like who even keeps updating that thing??

Bound4Glory wrote:

HappyJack wrote:

Poor girl/woman is only 24 but by gymnastics standards she's washed up/yesterdays news.

She's fully grown at age 24 and she's still the best in the world. Age won't matter for her. Piece of cake to come back in 2024, only three years away, and redeem herself. That's what a GOAT would do. Look at Tom Brady or Shaun White. I'm rooting for her!

You are so correct. I wasn't trying to be deeming by posting "girl/woman". Quite the contrary and agreeing with you at 24 yrs. physically she is "fully grown". However, mentally most humans according to "science" don't fully mature "mentally" until 27/28 years.

But, I hope you're right with your future assessment of her. I'm one of her biggest fans and hope for nothing but the best for her.

She's female, black, and highly accomplished so the center of a Venn Diagram of the perfect target for LRBF incel losers, especially without Kara, Alexi, or Colleen in the picture now.

Like one of those all star MLB players who could no longer make an accurate throw across the infield.

Like a basketball player who has suddenly, mysteriously loses their touch and accuracy on a jump shot in basketball.

Bound4Glory wrote:

Flinch wrote:

This is not exactly the same thing, but lots of runners who have experienced a major injury (Achilles tear, hamstring tear, etc.), can never get back the ability to push themselves to the utmost.

Tom Brady, GOAT, came back from an ACL tear and won four more superbowls, and counting.

Simone can do it.

Brady also literally quit on his team to chase rings in Florida... he's the epitome of quit when things get tough.

I was on competition dance teams from age 4-14 before moving on to other sports. When doing any rotational move, we are trained to 'spot' which is basically trying to keep our brain as still as possible while our body does whatever the move requires. Obviously your head still moves since it's attached to your body, but spotting helps with balance during mid-air moves and staying in one place during pirouettes and such. Like with anything involving the CNS, sometimes you can't spot as well due to any number of stressors and while it can come across as nerves, it's really unsettling when something that you've trained until it's near-instinct becomes untrustworthy. Sometimes it's a bad day, sometimes it's the beginning of the end for a dancer.

we're posting in a running board following a sport where its not that uncommon to see someone stepping aside b/c "they were not feeling well". fortunately, for the sport of running, you can just step aside. not sure she has that option mid-air. yet we have geniuses here who have not an ounce of gymnastics experience telling us their opinion matters as if it's loaded with fact and expertise.

very consistent in our world of disinformation. why trust a doctor when your own googling skills told you otherwise?