Really? Do you think they would do that for somebody like Tebow?
Really? Do you think they would do that for somebody like Tebow?
Bill Bye Den wrote:
Which superbowl were they benched in? Please list the years for each of them.
You got me there. What can I say? The GOATs usually don't get benched in the big game. However, there are plenty of big name quarterbacks who laid an egg in the superbowl. I'm too lazy to do the research to see if they got benched.
Bill Bye Den wrote:
Really? Do you think they would do that for somebody like Tebow?
No, not for Tebow.
Bound4Glory wrote:
Trollin wrote:
So called "GOATS" don't get benched by their coaches...and they don't quit. Ride or die trying!!!
Tom Brady was benched. Peyton Manning was benched. Drew Brees was benched. And those were only the first three I searched for. It happens all the time. It's big news when it happens in the big game, but it still happens.
You don't know sport. Yes they have been benched but not in the big game..this is the big game... She has every right to back out but at that point she is no longer the GOAT. If the years of stress are piling up and she can't hold up mentally to the pressure/danger of the situation she should have...1. If its an age thing and accumulated mental/physical stress, simplify her routines to a level that she's feels comfortable with. Sure she may not score a point or two higher than everyone else but you have to adjust. Peyton manning couldn't throw a spiral at the end and he could barely get it 40 yards down the field but he got it done. 2. She should have stepped aside at the trials for someone else to be ready...they might have had a chance at gold had it not gone down like it did.
Bill Bye Den wrote:
Really? Do you think they would do that for somebody like Tebow?
They were quite supportive of Michael Jordan, if I remember right (the gambling suspension angle was not widely publicized at that time).
Why that's exactly what they're paid to do. If they're real journalists they would take an unbiased position. What does being a good person have anything to do with it? She can still be a good person and take some dings for failing. That's only natural in sport. What if at the 300m mark in the woman's 400m freestyle Ledecky dropped out because Titmus had caught even with her? She's a good person and likable. Would she have gotten a free pass like Biles is getting? NO CHANCE.
Bound4Glory wrote:
RuningManJumpSuit wrote:
I'm frankly stunned at the pass the Biles is getting from the media.
I'm not all that surprised. If you're a top star for a long time, and a good person, a likeable person, the media bends over backwards to support you.
After years or years of fawning over Simone, it would be tough for Tim Daggett or Nastia Liukin to do an instantaneous 180 and lambast her for dropping out. I can't fault them for it.
MJ didn't walk away in the middle of the NBA finals.
Bound4Glory wrote:
Bill Bye Den wrote:
Really? Do you think they would do that for somebody like Tebow?
They were quite supportive of Michael Jordan, if I remember right (the gambling suspension angle was not widely publicized at that time).
Guys, she is a multi-time Olympic gold medalist forever. She is GOAT until someone better comes along.
The fact she was both of these things already made it very easy for her to quit.
I'm interested to see if she ends up doing balance beam and uneven bars (as she doesn't have Olympic gold in those events).
SImone BIles.
Somehow, I'm now on the Simone Biles side of the argument, which isn't where I really want to be. I don't think I can pull it off. Time for me to do a "Biles". You guys have fun.
(now she has five moves named after her)
Bound4Glory wrote:
And on that matter, I wish Simone would just say this: for whatever reason I was having an off-day, a sub-par Olympics, and I thought the team would be better without me. That's it. It's simple to understand and it's true. No need to invoke mental health.
Well, if it was “the twisties” (like the yips) as she stated, then it is a mental thing, and could result in a bad performance, But it’s also incredibly dangerous.. it is Also not a DSM 5 diagnosis, so not so sure a psychiatrist can give a clear answer here.
Rea Kolbl Was on track to make the Olympics for Slovenia before this happened to her. She is now an ultra runner/adventure racer/obstacle racer. She discusses it on the Running Public podcast. In her case it is unclear how much was neurological and how much psychological as she did have a concussion preceding her issue with the twisties.
I can’t think of another sport wher such a problem can develop and be so physically dangerous for the athlete.
trashcan wrote:
Well, if it was “the twisties” (like the yips) as she stated, then it is a mental thing.
There's a difference between a "mental thing" and a "mental health issue". I can't beat Magnus Carlsen in chess. It's entirely a mental thing. But, it's not a mental health issue.
Simone Biles was not on her best game so far at this Olympics. It's a mental thing, but not a mental health issue.
RuningManJumpSuit wrote:
I'm frankly stunned at the pass the Biles is getting from the media. If Michael Phelps or Matt Centrowitz or Lindsey Vonn had said they couldn't compete mid-way through their Olympic competitions because they had mental problems they would have been crucified by the media.
Biles posts a picture of herself with the rest of the team and their silver medals like she did something special. It's a sad state of affairs in the world of sport that this is being looked at in a positive way.
Maybe I'm being to harsh but this isn't a high school meet. It's the Olympics. What she did is completely selfish.
No it's not selfish. Taking herself out gave her teammates a better shot a a medal, which to their credit they earned. But, it is a moment (ie a few days) of weakness for her, and I don't see glorifying it. Personally, I don't think she should have attended the medal ceremony, even though her vault was part of the team score. And I agree she should not be flaunting the team medal she won. Her teammates do not seem to be holding any ill feelings to her.
https://www.nbcolympics.com/news/usa-gymnasts-lee-chiles-mccallum-dedicate-silver-simone-bilesI just read a tweet saying that she has competed with broken toes and a kidney stone before so if she withdraws it’s for a serious reason. Having the “twisties” means you are unable to do a skill. If she can’t do a skill correctly (and safely) why would she stay in the competition and risk a medal for her team or worse...her LIFE?
And a bad day in most ball sports will not leave you in a wheelchair like a bad day in gymnastics could. This sport is not forgiving
She’s done. Quit on her team and sponsors and frankly doesn’t deserve her paycheck now. At 26 with all those years of hard training behind her and now obviously not into it- she’s a goner
I certainly think they could be related. Also, I don’t think the chess conversation exactly works. That’s a cognitive issue, and a skill you never had. This Is suddenly having difficulty with a skill that you have overstrained.
I have always understood anxiety to be part of the yips. It doesn’t have to be dsm 5 level and as I’m not her psychiatrist, I can’t say whether she does or doesn’t have a diagnosis.
Obviously lots of athletes deal with psychiatric diagnoses. In gymnastics it could potentially contribute to an incredibly dangerous situation.
G Cup wrote:
If Biles was having genuine issues with mental health, she would not have been willing or able to grin and chat through that ludicrous press conference afterwards.
Idiot post of the day
Bound4Glory wrote:
trashcan wrote:
Well, if it was “the twisties” (like the yips) as she stated, then it is a mental thing.
There's a difference between a "mental thing" and a "mental health issue". I can't beat Magnus Carlsen in chess. It's entirely a mental thing. But, it's not a mental health issue.
Simone Biles was not on her best game so far at this Olympics. It's a mental thing, but not a mental health issue.
And you know this because....?
A bunch of people who disliked the GOAT a week ago dislike her more now. The horror.
This happens to world class pole vaulters all the time.
Run through after run through after run through. Cant plant the pole. Cant swing on the pole. Time out on the runway cause the wind is wrong. whatever it may be.
They have a high risk event. They can be totally healthy, but in the back of their mind they know that if the smallest thing goes wrong it can be catastrophic, and if you are in a situation where you have lost the ability to cope with the stress response (adrenal fatigue) then its very difficult to go out and execute at the level it takes to compete.
Sadly, in this case, there will still be blame somewhere, but IMOP most of that blame should fall on the support team (coaches, docs, etc) who did not have the proper strategies (debriefing, rest, professional help, etc) in place to work on, prevent, address these issues, as I would imagine the signs have been there for a long time. Go back and listen between the lines to some her recent interviews.
While it is an amazing step forward in the world of mental health, and in situation awareness for Simone, the reality is that it is still a failure on the support team to not have the best athlete ever in her sport ready to go in ALL capacities at THE BIGGEST EVENT in the world. - Having said all that this is an outside opinion, and I know nothing of the inner workings of Simone, her team, or USAG, but CLEARLY USAG has had some issues for a LONG TIME.