O My Gawd.
Lance was the most prolific PED user in sports. You can't possibly use him as ANY example of what it takes to be a champion.
O My Gawd.
Lance was the most prolific PED user in sports. You can't possibly use him as ANY example of what it takes to be a champion.
5-10% chance its sub 330 imo
you do realize Timothy cheryiot is running right, and he isnt on either of these lists?
The same doping machine that made Lance famous is the same one behind the success of Nike track and field athletes, but ethical ambivalence is just one similarity between Lance and Centro.
guru nation wrote:
you do realize Timothy cheryiot is running right, and he isnt on either of these lists?
I read these as lists of who would finish in what order behind TC. Am I wrong?
Sopa de SabadelI wrote:
Moo G wrote:
Years from now we will learn at least one of the top 3 were drug cheats. Does it even matter anymore? There will be so many cheats in the final. There is no guarantee even Centro didn't eat special burrito.
It's not your job to worry about this. There are people that are paid very well to hunt down dopers, so you might as well just forget about it and just simply enjoy the sports. Or find some other sports, that is (supposedly) clean.
That's a great response and a great way of thinking.
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It wasn’t terrible. Even in Asbel Kiprop’s prime he would only run 3:48-3:49 miles consistently and then run 3:26-3:27 1500s. If the other guys on the list were in Centro’s race I’d wager the winner barely cracks 3:49, if any even go under. Centro probably still finishes top 3 and it was a bad race for him.
And keep in mind I’m the verified LR community Centro hater.
Sopa de SabadelI wrote:
Moo G wrote:
Years from now we will learn at least one of the top 3 were drug cheats. Does it even matter anymore? There will be so many cheats in the final. There is no guarantee even Centro didn't eat special burrito.
It's not your job to worry about this. There are people that are paid very well to hunt down dopers, so you might as well just forget about it and just simply enjoy the sports. Or find some other sports, that is (supposedly) clean.
They aren't paid well and they dont catch them.
3.29 is a 1500 race. Centro can't run that. 3.50 is a 400 race. He got lucky.
Some advantages from Tim's perspective:
1) an opponent running an all-out time trial just a couple of weeks before the champs looks weak. Weaker still when it is clearly set up as a practice race against you. And pathetic when he misses his goal time by 3 seconds!
2) he can see everyone assumes he will go out mad fast from the gun, as if that's necessarily his best chance to win, as opposed to being a 1:43.11 800 guy.
Don't be surprised if he does it the El G way, grab the lead with 2 laps to go and then start turning the screws 600 out. How could he lose?
This is idiotic...2012 and 2016 you all started this crap when he was just 3:35-3:36 guy... a "non-contender" yet he went 4th and 1st...
let's see what happens after the rounds.
He is a contender and he has a shot.
It's amazing how triggered some of you people get by Centro. Kid already has an Olympic gold and a 3:50, 3:49 mile to his name and you all act like he has no shot of having any success in Tokyo. Letsrun; where our emotions control our thoughts.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Some advantages from Tim's perspective:
1) an opponent running an all-out time trial just a couple of weeks before the champs looks weak. Weaker still when it is clearly set up as a practice race against you. And pathetic when he misses his goal time by 3 seconds!
2) he can see everyone assumes he will go out mad fast from the gun, as if that's necessarily his best chance to win, as opposed to being a 1:43.11 800 guy.
Don't be surprised if he does it the El G way, grab the lead with 2 laps to go and then start turning the screws 600 out. How could he lose?
Tim isn’t thinking about Centro.
He is thinking about Jakob who has run 3:28 and 12:48 or Kerr who looks sharp now.
Centro’s time trial changes nothing about Tim’s approach to this.
You know last time Centro had the lead with 2 laps to go and turned the screws 600 out.
I agree that would be a good move for Tim.
Pushing the first 800 hard from the front would be a risk with Jakob able to follow him.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we see another slow opening 800 with no one wanting to lead.
The defending Olympic champion runs a mile PR and shows throughout the season he’s at a high level of fitness? Trust me, EVERYBODY is thinking about him. Tim, Jakob and Kerr (maybe others if they’re cocky) are probably thinking they’re in better shape than him, but they’re definitely taking him into consideration. I agree that this doesn’t change Tim’s approach, but I think Jakob’s fitness does. To put it simply; Tim will lose to Jakob if he goes from the gun, and if he doesn’t he gives Centro and Kerr a good shot to beat him (or even Hocker). He can win this race, but he needs to be at his best and run a perfect race (likely taking the reins in the last 800 and pushing for a 1:46 last 800).
Armstronglivs wrote:
Let it Rupp wrote:
Can someone explain to me how medaling in a 3:50 race is any easier than medaling in a 3:29 race? If it's so easy to win gold in a 3:50 race then why didn't the 3:26 drug-cheat medal? The race is so slow, by my impeccable track-math he should have ran a 48-second last lap and dusted everyone for gold! If it's such a fluke to medal in a 3:50 race, let alone win, then why were all the medalists former world medalists (with one being an olympic gold medalist), you would think you would have some scrub also-rans up front since it's so easy to medal in a tactical, 3:50 race.
3.29 is a 1500 race. Centro can't run that. 3.50 is a 400 race. He got lucky.
But, Centro may be able to run 3:30. With tactical finess, that could slip through for a medal.
sbeefyk2 wrote:
It wasn’t terrible. Even in Asbel Kiprop’s prime he would only run 3:48-3:49 miles consistently and then run 3:26-3:27 1500s. If the other guys on the list were in Centro’s race I’d wager the winner barely cracks 3:49, if any even go under. Centro probably still finishes top 3 and it was a bad race for him.
And keep in mind I’m the verified LR community Centro hater.
His fastest time ever was a bad race?
Sopa de SabadelI wrote:
Star wrote:
As far as Centro’s chances in Tokyo, he will execute a good race.
Some of the others will choke under the pressure.
While statistically you are absolutely correct, it also could be Centro who will choke.
I will remind you that in hist last major competition (WC Doha 2019) Centro placed 8th in a time of 3:32.
His 800m SB back then was 1:46, the same as this year. Also his mile TT converts to 3:32. So there is a good indication, that it could be a repeat of Doha for Centro.
+1.
He will not even make it to the final.
The goal he missed by a little over two seconds happens to be both the AR and the fastest mile run in nearly 15 years. It’s also Centro’s lifetime best and again, ran solo last 600m after a balls hard effort.
Someone pointed out on this thread already that championship 1500 races are almost never Diamond League-level fast. Remember there are qualifying rounds so no one is going into the finals with fully fresh legs. The race will not be faster than 3:30, especially if it is hot weather. I’d say 3:30-3:33 is closer to what the winning time might be if Tim or Jakob take it out hard. Tim has been on the world stage for years but this is Jakob’s first Olympics and he was sick earlier this month so I’m not convinced he is guaranteed a medal.
People on these threads are really underestimating Centro’s racing experience. No doubt he is not as fast as Tim, Jakob, and a few others but we now know he is in at least 3:31 shape. I also don’t think it’s likely he’ll repeat Gold but he’ll be right in the mix.
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