Cole Hocker is unvaccinated going into Olympic Games

DirtyT wrote:

Mattyc wrote: bit certainly selfish too.

How is it selfish to not get the vaccine? You can still get, and spread Covid if you get the vaccine. It’s literally only helpful in protecting yourself from getting bad symptoms. I know 4 people who got Covid after getting the vaccine and they all spread it to others.

Good point.

Nike is knocking wrote:

Where will he catch it? He has travelled quit a bit over the past 6 months and been around thousands of people. Seems like his chances would be much less over the next month.

I would be willing to bet he catches it at the olympics in Japan. You know the place where they aren't allowing spectators and athletes from all over the world gather to compete?

laughing at democrats wrote:

Nothing better than watching democrat fairies continue to have meltdowns.

Democrats lose again!!!!

A reminder not to make threads that aren't political political.

I have cleaned up a lot of posts on this thread (including the post quoted above).

Is it true that the vaccine is more effective than natural immunity?

high school xc coach wrote:

The vax only had me down with a slight fever for a day, but I had a ridiculously jacked heart rate for 7-10 days and was running 1:30 per minute slower than usual.

The push for infected people to also get the vaccine is one of the most ridiculous things in all this covid drama. Gotta get those jab numbers up though!

My experience exactly at age 81 after my second Moderna shot. I have still not recovered three months later. Though my heart is now back to its normal resting level of around 45, I can no longer run 8-9 minute miles in a 10K.

Everyone calm down. If you read the article he got COVID several months ago. Getting the virus provides very good immunity. No need for a healthy 20 year to take on the unknown long-term risk of the vaccine, although a very small risk, if they already have natural immunity. This madness around vaccination is ridiculous. If he had never got Covid I would say this is a poor choice, since he did this is a nonstory.

These Pretzels wrote:

Comes down to this: If you don't get vaccinated, you don't want to win that badly.

I just don't understand this logic. As people have noted Cole was not eligible for the vaccine at all until some point in the outdoor season. If I was an NCAA athlete with other training groups reporting having to take down time after the vaccine, I would be reluctant to take it during the season. There really wasn't a good window for him to take it.

So then he takes the 1 shot J&J after the Trials? Might need some down time then.

I totally understand how someone wanting to win might not take the vaccine.

If I had also had Covid and was him I'm nearly 100% certain I wouldn't have taken it during season. If vaccine makes Tokyo more likely then I might try and fit it in after Trials.

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That totally ignores any scientific debate about a 19 year old being totally in the grey area on whether it is a good idea to get vaccinated. Germany has recommended healthy people 17 and under not get vaccinated. Same with Britain right now. Sure the US has said they should get vaccinated but the fact that two major countries aren't recommending it shows it is much more debatable than people on here want to make it.

It's not just about whether you're worried about getting it yourself though too. If you're vaccinated in the village, you can't be taken out of competition by being contact traced to a close contact. If you're unvaccinated (regardless of if you've already have it) and a close contact tests positive, you're going into quarantine and possibly missing flights/competition. It's incredibly stupid imo not to get even the single shot J&J just to CYA going into the olympics

You're being purposely obtuse. There was ample time to receive the vaccine, I am very sure that other collegians who made the Olympics are vaccinated. The down time from the vaccine is two days on average (yes I'm sure someone will have an anecdote about how they felt bad for the rest of the month).

Also there isn't a scientific gray area, you're just trying to find one. 1) the UNITED STATES CDC recommended all people above 17 get vaccinated, which if I remember correctly, is the country Hocker is running for, not Germany. 2) Even following Germany's rules, Hocker would be recommended to get the vaccine as he is two years older than 17 so that advice doesn't apply to him, 3) that recommendation is because the vaccines were tested on age groups 16-18 and older not because they were not worried about younger people getting it. 4) Even if what you say is totally true, and younger people don't have to get the vaccine because it does not pose a danger to them, the bigger issue here is he can still test positive and miss the games entirely. I am assuming that Britain and Germany are saying this because the virus may not pose a health threat to younger people, not because they are entirely incapable of getting it.

ggilder wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

The vax only had me down with a slight fever for a day, but I had a ridiculously jacked heart rate for 7-10 days and was running 1:30 per minute slower than usual.

The push for infected people to also get the vaccine is one of the most ridiculous things in all this covid drama. Gotta get those jab numbers up though!

My experience exactly at age 81 after my second Moderna shot. I have still not recovered three months later. Though my heart is now back to its normal resting level of around 45, I can no longer run 8-9 minute miles in a 10K.

I am sincerely sorry that this happened to you. Few things are as good as seeing older folks staying active, and in your case being pretty damned fast. Hoping that eventually things get back on track.

Cole is playing Tokyo Roulette. Hopefully he would not get too sick if exposed. If he gets the bug I'd think he can kiss his chances in the games goodbye.

jazzhands wrote:

He’s an idiot but most people his age don’t have a fully developed brain so it’s unfortunate but not unheard of. But for those against it, think about how it helps prevent further mutation by reducing instances of infection/reducing effects. This isn’t a political issue for most people. It’s looking out for others.

Actually, it seems like it's about YOU feeling entitled to the place where you're happy about other people's behavior. If they do it your way, then you're happy. But if they don't, THEY must be the idiot!! THEY are the losers causing all the problems. Get off the High-horse, bud. You aren't an expert. Even the experts aren't the experts yet. There is so much we don't know about the disease, the long term effects of the vaccine, or the impact the vaccine will have on how the virus mutates. But you do!!! You've got it all figured out!! What a guy!!!

Dr. Fowchi wrote:

Is it true that the vaccine is more effective than natural immunity?

Of course not.

But they would have you think otherwise.

AsbelKiprop wrote:

How is this anyone's business? Pretty big HIPPA violation by posting this. Brojos would be smart to delete unless they want a potential lawsuit.

Sorry, but HIPAA, the Health Iinsurance Portability and Accountability Act has nothing to do with the brojos. HIPAA only applies to health care providers and some people who work for or with them. Since the brojos aren't doctors and don't work for doctors, HIPPA does not apply to them.

He's really fit, young, probably doesn't think he needs it..

Unless it's mandatory for all athletes, I respect his right to choose.

I don't see what the big deal is.

These Pretzels wrote:

The down time from the vaccine is two days on average...

Stupid comments like this make me very angry. The down time for a healthy athlete is not just two days! Just go back in this thread and look at Ben Rosario's tweet and the responses to it. Try 7 to 10 days and much longer for many others. Typically it is even worse for athletes who have already had covid.

Awesome Wejo; glad we have you around here as the holy authority on what is ok and not ok to type.