UBC track sexual assault allegations

hdhdjejs wrote:

Is there proof this actually happened?

Has he been proven guilty? Or are we speculating...

Read the article.

And definitely nothing illegal.

Legacy preference is great wrote:

And definitely nothing illegal.

Is it legal to touch a person in an intimate are without their consent?

Yes. No legal action was taken. It isn't the US.

Legacy preference is great wrote:

And definitely nothing illegal.

Here Is some information that may clarify for those who are confused of what is and is not legal in BC/ Canada. I am not concluding anything. Just read the article in this thread, what the lawyer in it states and then browse through this brief link below. Really concerned about some of the thought processes out there.

Note the word criminal in the link. Give the bullet points a read.

beautiful cars wrote:

I'm not sure this qualifies, besides the fact he did the massage at all.

The description said he mentioned her sensitive area while placing her own hands over the area while he massaged her legs.

UBC is known for being on the forefront of new definitions of this. It seems like a problem regardless with these two people engaging in a massage.

Look up Luo Dong on YouTube.

Is Biden guilty?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_sexual_assault_allegation#:~:text=Reade%20was%20one%20of%20several,%22%2C%20according%20to%20ABC%20News

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As a RMT and coach are you allowed to give your athletes massages or is this unethical because of the power balance?

Did the UBC Athletic department give him permission to provide massage therapy to the athletes?

To my knowledge, the victim was 18 at the time of the allegations in question. If I am correct on who the accused is, they are almost 30. Already, if they were in a room alone together, that is inappropriate and protects neither the athlete OR the coach. This person (who is I believe is a registered RMT) should have known better than to treat an athlete privately. That is already a recipe for disaster and extremely irresponsible

I believe it was mentioned that the victim reported the crime to the police prior to complaining to the university.

It seems as though this athlete was taken advantage of and the coach took it upon himself to test the boundaries of their relationship. It took the athlete months to come forward (the alleged assault took place in November), which tells me that they put a lot of thought into their decision to come forward.

It is obvious from social media activity that this person still has a huge following of athletes from that team. Seems a little concerning from an outsiders perspective that one person would have such a strong effect on young and impressionable people, especially considering that they were suspended over a year ago.

The Coaching Association of Canada's Rule of Two states that there will always be two screened and NCCP-trained or certified coaches with an athlete in situations where the athlete is potentially vulnerable.

Why are athletes and clubs still affiliating with this person? The coach in question broke the Athletics Canada policy on being alone with athletes, and the same report which they (misleadingly and in breach of confidentiality) used to claim their innocence shows that they touched an athlete's intimate area without the athlete's consent.

This person should be banned from coaching at the very least.

The investigator concluded that the coach touched the athlete in an intimate area without her consent and without sexual intent. Was this area her glutes? Her upper thigh? The investigator didn’t specify genitals.

The athletes, with their context, appear to be in support of the coach.

Haven't heard of any clubs still affiliating with this individual. I would imagine that any athletes he's continued to work with from UBC will no longer be allowed to participate on that team if they continue to be in contact. I'd assume others are allowed to continue to work with him unless action is taken beyond the university firing. Not sure why they would but that's their prerogative, hopefully understanding that doing so will likely negatively affect their own reputations in the broader community.

It seems quite evident that there was a breach of coaching ethics (rule of two/massage of athlete you are coaching) at a minimum. Regardless of the outcome of any further investigations which are possibly ongoing (Police & Athletics Canada), this individual has paid a heavy price in the form of their reputation and career and for that we can be thankful. Everyone in the athletics community in Canada knows who this is and I can't see them being permitted to coach vulnerable youth or young adults in an organized manner again.

slowr wrote:

The investigator concluded that the coach touched the athlete in an intimate area without her consent and without sexual intent. Was this area her glutes? Her upper thigh? The investigator didn’t specify genitals.

The athletes, with their context, appear to be in support of the coach.

To be clear, even if there is no "sexual intent" (not sure how you prove that), it is inappropriate to touch a patient without their consent. Consent is very specific and applies solely to what has been agreed upon. Someone who consents to a sports massage involving their hamstrings is not consenting to having their glutes/groin massaged.

Physical therapists and healthcare workers who may be required to touch patients during treatment or evaluation should always be very specific about what they are going to do, especially if it involves sensitive areas, and especially if the patient is in a compromised position (lying face down on a massage table). I have had physical therapists work on my glutes/pelvic area many times and was always informed about what was going to happen (and agreed to it). If the patient feels uncomfortable with what you are doing, you are doing something wrong.

First of all he was a registered Massage therapist offering this service to athletes and second of all, police evidence found that she never even got a massage from him in the first place

Straightener wrote:

First of all he was a registered Massage therapist offering this service to athletes and second of all, police evidence found that she never even got a massage from him in the first place

I think you need to be very careful not to post false information. Police will not tell a survivor or anyone else for that matter about their findings, Be really careful here. The matter is with the police and has been for a long time. This is terrible behaviour.

[quote]Straightener wrote:

First of all he was a registered Massage therapist offering this service to athletes and second of all, police evidence found that she never even got a massage from him in the first place[/quote

THE QUOTE ABOVE IS FALSE AND HARMFUL

To anyone out there who actually believes this please feel free to call the POLICE close to the institution. They will not give details about any investigation and their findings that are in progress or completed. Again, please call them to verify.

I have no specific knowledge of this case or those involved, other than what's reported in this thread.

Allegation alone is enough to permanently cloud reputation. Consequences of accusation aren't much different whether substantiated or not.

There are certainly coaches and practitioners who abuse their positions and those in their care. Has this been concluded in this case?

If an RMT made contact in, say, the thigh area as part of treatment, or accidentally, and in a non-sexual way (which is said to be the case here), is that assault warranting dismissal or criminal prosecution? If so, why does anyone take up the profession?

My male doctor won't examine a female patient without a female attendant observing. Should RMTs do the same?

Universities in general seem agents of social activism and at the vanguard of championing accusers.

In the case of UBC, this recently put them in hot water over dismissal of a well-known professor who had a consensual affair with an adult student. An arbiter later determined rights of the accused were violated and a 1/4 million dollar award ordered/made against the University. This is still dragging on in lawsuits which have cost about 5 million so far in legal fees.

The UBC professor is now working as a pool cleaner.

So according to you, we should collectively shame the woman coming forward? Because she has “clouded” the accused reputation? The victim is suing UBC for negligence, so I don’t think that the school did much for the victim. It’s already been proven that the victim was alone with the accused in a treatment room. This is enough to warrant real concern.