UBC track sexual assault allegations

Here's an idea male coaches...don't give massages to your female athletes. There are a lot of creeps out there.

I don’t get why people report these incidents to their university, not the police.

Ya name the university in the lawsuit for deep pocket reasons, but putting the university in charge of investigating?

IMO opinion a coach should never give a massage in a private room to an athlete. They should have open spaces for these sorts of things, especially in 2020.

Roflcopter wrote:

IMO opinion a coach should never give a massage in a private room to an athlete. They should have open spaces for these sorts of things, especially in 2020.

They are not supposed to according to Athletics Canada policy:

Unfortunately an athlete as an individual may not be aware of this.

I'm not sure this qualifies, besides the fact he did the massage at all.

The description said he mentioned her sensitive area while placing her own hands over the area while he massaged her legs.

UBC is known for being on the forefront of new definitions of this. It seems like a problem regardless with these two people engaging in a massage.

Free_the_thigh wrote:

I don’t get why people report these incidents to their university, not the police.

Ya name the university in the lawsuit for deep pocket reasons, but putting the university in charge of investigating?

While I agree that the univeristy (esp UBC considering its history lol) might not be the best arbitrator, victims often do not want police involvement for a few reasons. Police/legal involvement in sexual assault cases is often drawn out and traumatizing with the onus put on the victim. The victim might also view that what happened to them isn't likely to be punished by law since it is more of an employment/code of conduct infraction. If your coach does something pervy, it might not be a crime under the law, but could be an infraction of the code of conduct for a coach as a university employee. Thus the victim might feel they are likely to have more success by choosing this route since the transgression is more clearly defined.

In this case, it does seem that the incident as described would qualify as a straight up crime since it involves non-consensual touching. But, I think it is understandable that the victim might not have wanted to involve police initially.

Police are involved as far as I know. To put this into perspective, the UBC football players were arrested after TWO years. Only 25 % of cases go to court but that does not necessarily mean the allegations were invalid.

Why would you even give a massage to a female athlete. If she asked I would say umm no I am a coach that is not my job that’s what an athletic trainer is for. Some guys are creeps for realz

I assume she was over 18 and he was attracted to her? If she didn't say no, how is he in trouble other than with the university? If I tell my 20 year old neighbor that I want to give her a massage and she invites me over to do it, I haven't broken any laws.

Why do these stories keep surfacing?

Why do coaches fondle the genitals of their athletes?

Why do they see that as appropriate behaviour?

I don't get it.

First huntington and the Johnson’s now UBC. NAIA distance coaches are gross….

Was it CJ?

It was most certainly NOT CJ or Norm.

Not a cheater wrote:

I assume she was over 18 and he was attracted to her? If she didn't say no, how is he in trouble other than with the university? If I tell my 20 year old neighbor that I want to give her a massage and she invites me over to do it, I haven't broken any laws.

Sexual relations are not allowed in coach/athlete relationships as per university policy. It appears athlete was likely a minor which is 18 and under according to BC law. A coach is in a position of authority and has power so sexual activity between coach/athlete is not allowed. AC promotes the rule of three behind closed doors in a treatment room. Athlete was not wanting anything but was rather powerless as are those on the team who blindly support the coach. At the very least remain neutral while waiting for legal system to do its job in civil and possibly criminal court . Shame on them all.

Anonymoussss wrote:

It was most certainly NOT CJ or Norm.

Whew. I got confused when I saw endurance coach.

CJ stepped down before the previous coach stepped in. Google will tell you who took over

googlesearch wrote:

CJ stepped down before the previous coach stepped in. Google will tell you who took over

additional social media sleuthing will also tell you who left Vancouver very suddenly around the right time

But, I think if you dox that person this thread will get deleted as there is perhaps a publication ban? So if you like the majority of the Canadian running community have figured it out maybe don't post it here. I don't totally agree with this person getting anonymity (they're still out there in the community?!) but if this is the only way we can have a discussion so be it.

Is there proof this actually happened?

Has he been proven guilty? Or are we speculating...

Can he still do massage or will he get suspended?