Katir is the most obvious doper of all time

There were some issues with athletes wearing new NB and Asics spikes. The track was in very bad condition(it was like concrete) so they were constantly sliping. 2 guys in the 3000m Steeplechase and Katir in the 5000 were amongst those that were affected by the "Spikes gate"

Look at this video of one of the Steeplechasers

https://twitter.com/soycorredor_es/status/1408872435160649735

retic count wrote:

KaareV wrote:

2012: 8.29

2015: 8, 21

2018: 8.19

and then in 2019: 8.15 - 8.05 (Monaco) - 8.15 - 8.12 (Doha)

2020: 8.13 (Monaco again)

Thank you for showing the numbers. After years of 8’30/8’2x to a sudden 8’05 does not seem to fit. Perhaps Monaco magic as you’ve identified?

2013- 8’40

2014- 8’36

2015- 8’21

2016- 8’33 (8’10 over flat)

2017- 8’29 (8’03 over flat)

2018- 8’19 (no flat 3k)

2019- 8’05 (7’51 over flat)

He is running 3000 meter falt tomorrow, together with Katir and McSweyn. Gateshead/London.

Sorry, flat.

I watched this interview when it was first aired on Spanish tv. The interviewer, Evole, is quite famous. Fuentes was generally very, very careful how he said things but he made crystal clear that he had doped Cacho without ever saying so.

KaareV wrote:

retic count wrote:

Thank you for showing the numbers. After years of 8’30/8’2x to a sudden 8’05 does not seem to fit. Perhaps Monaco magic as you’ve identified?

2013- 8’40

2014- 8’36

2015- 8’21

2016- 8’33 (8’10 over flat)

2017- 8’29 (8’03 over flat)

2018- 8’19 (no flat 3k)

2019- 8’05 (7’51 over flat)

He is running 3000 meter falt tomorrow, together with Katir and McSweyn. Gateshead/London.

I noticed that. It will be a good test for all. Hoping the weather cooperates.

Yes but surely you would expect that with recent 3.28 and 12.50 then the middle ground at 3k, with suitable comp and conditions, is going to come down plenty from 7.35. Whatever he may keep at the back of his fridge

Armstronglivs wrote:

Hey, look, the chief doping denier on this board has turned up - to say, "no doping to be seen here".

What doping have you seen here? Is there something tangible and concrete that I overlooked?

I was specifically looking for the reasons for suspicion based on the reality of fast performances from a Morrocan-Spaniard.

Please feel free to contribute any of the most intelligent reasons that I may have overlooked.

cemented dimentia wrote:

… Fermín Cacho, whom Eufemiano Fuentes hinted having doped -- in addition to a having worked with number of spanish cyclists.

On Cacho: "we knew that his mentality was going to make the race very difficult for all the favorites because a final of 1,500 is a very open race It can be developed in twenty thousand ways, it can be tactical, it can be fast, the first part slow, the second fast, it can be the last 400 very fast and Cacho ran them in 49 seconds. Only very great talents can do that, and with his personality and with his mentality, in a very tactical career,it was very difficult for him to miss the medal and that is why it did not escape him."

No, that's not why it escaped Cacho (…)

And, that could be one reason why suspicion isn't escaping Katir, either.

I note that in that interview Fuentes mainly talks about 1992 Barcelona.

In the 1992 Olympics, Cacho won a slow race, with a 50.6 second final 400m, in 3:40.

In 1991 and 1993, his best times were 3:32.

It wasn’t until 5 years later, in 1997, that Cacho was pulled to his only sub-3:31 performance of his career, in a fast race, taking second to El Guerrouj in the 1997 Weltklasse.

Here is an interview in Spanish with Katir, from January. The interviewer is a runner who regularly commentates track and field on Spanish tv.

I have seen Katir avoiding to talk about his Birthland. It's his full right while he is focusing on the next big events.

Best of lucks to him and Spain.

https://i.ibb.co/V3sxdt3/aa.jpg

https://www.marca.com/atletismo/2021/07/13/60ecbf86e2704e96218b461e.html

Translation: Google translate (I haven’t bothered to edit the translation because I think U get the gist).

Mohamed Katir (Alcazarquivir, 1998) today runs a 3,000 in Gateshead with the world court, in which he has already entered since the record of 3: 28.76, which he left in the Diamond League in Monte Carlo last Friday. He has a privileged morphology, endless legs, "from Masai", as his manager Miguel Mostaza points out. Not used to being the protagonist, he outlines shyness during the meeting.

Describe his feelings as he crossed the Monaco goal and saw that he had broken Cacho's record?

When I walked in and saw that I had beaten Jakob (Ingebrigtsen), I put my hands on my head and said, "What you just did." Then I looked first at Miguel (Mustard) and I saw everything happy and I said to myself: "What have I done? And suddenly, I heard my name:" Katir, Katir. "One of the members of the organization was showing me the screen . "You've made a national record." And I was thinking, it can't be. I looked at the screen, I saw 3.28 and I said, "Oh my, what I just did. What I just rolled. "

Were the records objective or have they come out?

My goal was to be in the Games and, from training, I knew I could make a good mark, but I have never raised the records.

What has changed to make it work like this?

My planning is always like this from Mula to Sierra Nevada and vice versa. But I have trained a lot. I have put in more hours than I usually do.

When did the specific plan for Tokyo start?

Since last year. But since there was a pandemic and no Games, we continued training. But since September I focused the season to qualify for the Games.

When I saw that I had beaten Jakob, I put my hands on my head and said, "What you just did."

How did you train in the pandemic?

I had problems. I could not do anything.

Could I go for a run?

No way. They did not leave. At home I did the typical, gymnastics, stairs ... What I could.

Did you go up floors then

We don't have many stairs at home, so above all I did a lot of gymnastics, some weight sessions ... And that's it.

In Sierra Nevada, you coincided with the Ingebrigtsen, how was that coexistence?

The truth is that it is not a friendship. He does his thing and I do mine, but they are good people.

Did you notice your copying workouts?

I have my planning and I trust my coach.

Have you gotten to know Fermín Cacho?

Nerd.

Being the only person who has broken Cacho's record is a rush for me "

Only one Spaniard in the last 90 years has had the national record of 1,500 and 5,000, José Luis González. How does it feel to hear this?

It is a pride because I have worked it out. Doing this is very important in our country. And, above all, being the only person who has broken Cacho's record is a rush for me.

A very interesting generation of athletes is championing, does the quality surprise you now that there is not so much money?

I do not know. I speak for myself. And I look a lot like my grandfather, who is a hard worker. He is a farmer. If there's anyone I have to look up to, it's my grandfather Mailud, but I don't know what people of my generation are like. I have no idea. No one in my family has been an athlete. My grandfather is a big fan of mine, but he says that the good guy was El Guerrouj [laughs].

Today, in London, will he try another highlight mark (7.29 is Viciosa's record) or does he just want to win?

I have seen the registrations and just by seeing those people there, you think the race will be very strong. It's going to run a lot.

Having seen his mark in 1,500, does he not regret being only registered in 5,000 at the Games?

No. At 5,000, 12.50 is a great mark too [He says with conviction].

Are you still reading poetry?

If every day.

What book is he with?

I have a not very well known book, it is about the poetry of nature. It's what it focuses me on a lot. I don't usually read poems by Machado. What I like is poetry of nature.

Why did he give you that way?

I do not know, that's the truth

At school, was he a nerd?

What is it, studies were always fatal to me.

You have grown up in a town where there is no running track, how can an athlete come out of Mula?

I've been there training for eight years. I usually look for places where I can do my series. What's more, where I train is a lake surrounded by trees. There is no one there. Nobody can bother me. For me that place is better than being on a track.

At 17 years old, and although I did not have these shoes, I was already making good marks at 1,500 for my age

Are you a believer? Do you practice Ramadan?

I don't do it because he always catches me with very important competitions and I want to focus on sports.

Some material dream?

I'd like to buy a car. But a Mustang is my dream. A 1986 Mustang.

Between 1,500 and 5,000, which one do you like the most?

It is the first year that I do the 5,000 and the truth is that I like it. I like all of them, I'm going to enjoy it to the fullest. And if I had to keep one, I'd keep 3,000. Love it.

What do you think the Olympic final will be like?

Hopefully I'm there. And once it's inside, there to fight it. But entering the top 8, which is an Olympic diploma, would be ... From there, what

Salient points from the interview:

1. He comes from Mula, A working class town in the south eastern province of Murcia, Spain. If you look at the weather map his village at this time is experiencing temperatures of around 40°C which is well over 100°F.

2. There is no athletic club or athletics tradition in his town of Mula, and he has adapted his training in consequence to that doing most of his intervals around a path around the lake.

3. During the first few months of COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 he was confined to his home in Mula 24 / 7 and could only do gymnastic exercises and walking up and down the stairs.

4. He trains in the Sierra Nevada at the national training center for high altitude and he often crosses paths with Jacob Ingebrigtsen , and although they are not friends and they don’t normally train together there is a mutual respect especially now that the Muslim ace has shown a slight upper hand to be confirmed.

5. He focuses a lot on gym work explaining his absolutely amazing physique which comprises an eight pack, yes you read it right not a six pack but an eight pack abdominal package.

6. He reads poetry in Sparetime.

7. Llorente, his young 31-year-old coach is very young and very forward-looking with very modern methods.

I am 99% convinced that this runner is as clean as a whistle. He comes across as incredibly credible and truthful. People try to show “evidence” that he has doped linked to his rapid progress within the last year but people should realize that his training has radically changed when he met his present coach who redefined and realigned his training completely to exploit his strengths and also work on some of his weaknesses.

Katir is the real deal and get used to him because he’s going to be around for the next few years. This kid is a monster.

If his 8 second improvement is due to doping during the pandemic, then it's highly likely he has already reached his limit and will have to microdose or get popped (assuming Spanish athletics is not so corrupt that even a full throttler wouldn't be caught).

If he is clean and natural, then he will be ahead of both Jakob and Tim next year and challenging for El G's records.

So we will see.

Charlie Chaplin wrote:

If his 8 second improvement is due to doping during the pandemic, then it's highly likely he has already reached his limit and will have to microdose or get popped (assuming Spanish athletics is not so corrupt that even a full throttler wouldn't be caught).

Why do you think Spanish athletics could do that but you always get furious when someone suggests that British athletics could do the same, Coevett?

Why did you feel the need to mention that he is Muslim?

Charlie Chaplin wrote:

If his 8 second improvement is due to doping during the pandemic, then it's highly likely he has already reached his limit and will have to microdose or get popped (assuming Spanish athletics is not so corrupt that even a full throttler wouldn't be caught).

If he is clean and natural, then he will be ahead of both Jakob and Tim next year and challenging for El G's records.

So we will see.

For your level Coevett, that's some really balanced post. Not that difficult, or not?

He didn't say there is no athletic tradition in Mula, He said there is no track. That's no surprise. Tracks are hard to find in Spain. In Madrid, which has 3.5 million people, there are 10-15 of them in the whole city, most of them inferior to what is standard at many US high schools. Yet somehow many, many people run every day. Mula is a town of 15-20 thousand. No town in Spain of that size has a track.

The claim that he didn't train during the confinement maybe should not be taken at face value. It was illegal to go outside to train, and he would not admit that he had because of that.

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