She was an amazing runner in college and while she was obviously not fat, she was carrying a little extra weight for a distance runner. Now she is all toned down due to more training and extra focus on being a professional athlete. Maybe PEDs allow her to up her training and lose the weight,but I hope not.
Also, 3:58 running from the front, after rounds and 93 degree heat heat definitely puts close to AR shape.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
runderrun wrote:
Right she ran 14:58, but most recently, she ran 15:08 (Feb this year). She is not even close to 14:30 shape. If she was training for it I'd say she can maybe go 14:45 this year. For all the talk of American records and medals, 3:58 is a world away from 3:55. I think she can still get a medal and Kipyegon and Muir would be stupid to overlook her, but I also think Purrier needs another year to get down to 3:55.
You're out of your element. She ran 15:08 on a 90-degree day with major humidity in Austin in February. She destroyed Weini Kelati just running FTW, and Weini ran 14:58 a week later. Pete Julian and her coach Mark Coogan are of the opinion she can run under 14:30. I'd trust them over the guy who thinks she could maybe beat Josette Norris.
How gullible do you have to be to believe everything someone's coach says? Houlihan was ready to break the 5k world record according to her coach, and Muir was in 1500 WR shape earlier this year according to her coach. Coaches blow smoke up their athletes, it's part of the job description
jamin wrote:
Her profile pic on World Athletics
https://media.aws.iaaf.org/athletes/14627694.jpglooks nothing like her a few years later.
Super Ellie:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/2019_Millrose_Games_%2846336825534%29.jpg
This is crazy! She grew a torso, arms, and legs in a few short years (from being only a head with a face in her World Athletics picture). She must be doping.
iowalover wrote:
jamin wrote:
Her profile pic on World Athletics
https://media.aws.iaaf.org/athletes/14627694.jpglooks nothing like her a few years later.
Super Ellie:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/2019_Millrose_Games_%2846336825534%29.jpgThis is crazy! She grew a torso, arms, and legs in a few short years (from being only a head with a face in her World Athletics picture). She must be doping.
Yeah, I’m confused what this is supposed to prove, exactly?
iowalover wrote:
jamin wrote:
Her profile pic on World Athletics
https://media.aws.iaaf.org/athletes/14627694.jpglooks nothing like her a few years later.
Super Ellie:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/2019_Millrose_Games_%2846336825534%29.jpgThis is crazy! She grew a torso, arms, and legs in a few short years (from being only a head with a face in her World Athletics picture). She must be doping.
LOL! POD!
I don't get what the pictures are supposed to prove either. I had the exact same reaction you did.
...almost forgot
2 THE GILLS!!!
runderrun wrote:
How gullible do you have to be to believe everything someone's coach says? Houlihan was ready to break the 5k world record according to her coach, and Muir was in 1500 WR shape earlier this year according to her coach. Coaches blow smoke up their athletes, it's part of the job description
Find me links to either of those happening. No way Jerry said that. Can't see Muir's coach saying that either. It's not just Coogan saying it, it's Pete Julian too. You refuted none of what I said about her 5k fitness, but just made up stuff about coaches mouthing off. Purrier meanwhile is leading gun-to-tape 3:58 solo in her third race in four days in 90-degree heat and you're saying she'd be hard-pressed to be at Josette Norris. Come on, man.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
runderrun wrote:
How gullible do you have to be to believe everything someone's coach says? Houlihan was ready to break the 5k world record according to her coach, and Muir was in 1500 WR shape earlier this year according to her coach. Coaches blow smoke up their athletes, it's part of the job description
Find me links to either of those happening. No way Jerry said that. Can't see Muir's coach saying that either. It's not just Coogan saying it, it's Pete Julian too. You refuted none of what I said about her 5k fitness, but just made up stuff about coaches mouthing off. Purrier meanwhile is leading gun-to-tape 3:58 solo in her third race in four days in 90-degree heat and you're saying she'd be hard-pressed to be at Josette Norris. Come on, man.
I've seen a video where Coogan is confident she will be in the Olympic final and thinks she can medal. He never mentioned that she can win.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
runderrun wrote:
How gullible do you have to be to believe everything someone's coach says? Houlihan was ready to break the 5k world record according to her coach, and Muir was in 1500 WR shape earlier this year according to her coach. Coaches blow smoke up their athletes, it's part of the job description
Find me links to either of those happening. No way Jerry said that. Can't see Muir's coach saying that either. It's not just Coogan saying it, it's Pete Julian too. You refuted none of what I said about her 5k fitness, but just made up stuff about coaches mouthing off. Purrier meanwhile is leading gun-to-tape 3:58 solo in her third race in four days in 90-degree heat and you're saying she'd be hard-pressed to be at Josette Norris. Come on, man.
Does anyone believe anything Jerry says now? "I've never heard of nandrolone, it was the burrito! the burrito man!!!" wah wah wah
She ran like a Boss!!! She put her pent up energy from that shove to good use. Pure adrenaline. I hope her confidence remains high throughout the Olympics during international competition.
The way she put away that field was really astounding. She could probably run 3:54-3:55 right now. I honestly think she would have beat Shelby, probably wouldn't have outkicked her, but with a fast race from the start, I think she wins. So the question was if she beats a doped Shelby Houlihan, is she clean herself?
iowalover wrote:
jamin wrote:
Her profile pic on World Athletics
https://media.aws.iaaf.org/athletes/14627694.jpglooks nothing like her a few years later.
Super Ellie:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/2019_Millrose_Games_%2846336825534%29.jpgThis is crazy! She grew a torso, arms, and legs in a few short years (from being only a head with a face in her World Athletics picture). She must be doping.
Did you ever milk 40 cows before going to school? Farm girls are tough. They may look like waifs as youngsters but when they grow into women, you'd better look out.
If you never had your butt kicked by a girl it's because you never got into fight with a farm girl.
Also photos can be misleading for many reasons. Lighting and how many years between exposers. And people age. And at different rates.
Too many amateur super sleuth keyboard doping experts on here. Implying because of race results someone could be doping. You all don't know the difference between sh!t and shinola.
I have a riddle for you smart guys. Which of these two words means something you put on your car, or that's who someone is, polish and polish.
Ladies with android (male shaped) pelvises for the win in the 1500. It has to be an advantage.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
runderrun wrote:
How gullible do you have to be to believe everything someone's coach says? Houlihan was ready to break the 5k world record according to her coach, and Muir was in 1500 WR shape earlier this year according to her coach. Coaches blow smoke up their athletes, it's part of the job description
Find me links to either of those happening. No way Jerry said that. Can't see Muir's coach saying that either. It's not just Coogan saying it, it's Pete Julian too. You refuted none of what I said about her 5k fitness, but just made up stuff about coaches mouthing off. Purrier meanwhile is leading gun-to-tape 3:58 solo in her third race in four days in 90-degree heat and you're saying she'd be hard-pressed to be at Josette Norris. Come on, man.
First, what you said about her 5k fitness is impossible to refute because it's entirely hypothetical, you're guessing what sort of shape she is in based on second hand knowledge of her training and no details. The only proof we have of her 5k fitness is the February race, which was a 15:08.
Here's Shelby saying her and Jerry felt she could go for the 5k WR this year.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2020/07/shelby-houlihans-big-talk-with-letsrun-com-i-do-feel-like-that-world-record-is-in-reach/Here's Muir saying the plan for the USATF was to go out at 3:50 pace
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2021/04/2021-usatf-grand-prix-big-wins-for-muir-bromell-hoare-simpson-struggles-updike-stuns-steeple-field/I really don't get why you're so defensive about this, I didn't think it would be controversial to say Elle Purrier isn't the 5th best 5k runner in the world right now
The pics prove she had makeup/hair done for one pic and no makeup for the other pic. Looks good to me.
White American... Must be clean!!!
It might be unfair but immediately when Shelby was popped I thought about Elle. That's what happens when someone gets caught and puts up a flimsy excuse. Fans become doubtful about everyone.
I think all of BTC is being heavily scrutinized. I like Elise Cranny, but I thought it was inappropriate of her to invoke Shelby's name as if she has been unfairly DQ'ed or something. A drug ban, an appeal and a loss is serious and should be taken seriously by every athlete. I feel for Cranny since Shelby is her friend and training partner, but it was disrespectful to the sport nonetheless.
Elle has had a meteoric rise. I don't care that she ran 30 miles a week, lots of people did that in high school. I don't care that she works on a farm. Lots of kids work on farms. Not a lot of them smash the American mile record indoors after two years of being a pro. Not a lot of them can lead a race in 90+ degree heat from start to finish and win by wearing out everyone else.
It's unfair to put scrutiny on Elle because she didn't do anything, she's not coached by anyone sketchy but what is to be believed or not believed? I believed Shelby. I believed her performances, even when they were crazier and crazier.
quickytug wrote:
White American... Must be clean!!!
More like, White American female who grew up on a farm, wow so pure and wholesome. Those good ol rural American values explain it all, no way she is doping.
Part of the problem is most people grew up watching too much TV and look at life, and their relationships in life, as similar to a movie narrative.
That's a big problem in this dirty sport. Basically, beating a record and being clean is almost mutually exclusive.
Cases in point, 1500 m:
Current AR: banned drug cheat Houlihan
Previous AR: Rowburry from banned drug cheat coach Salazar
Before that, for decades: banned drug cheat coach Decker
Current WR: Dibaba from EPO-Aden
Before that, for decades: Yunxia from Ma's army
birdbeard2 wrote:
Truth-hurts124 wrote:
She pretty much front ran 3:58, put her in a fast race and she could get pulled to 3:54 easily. And now the next obvious question, Is she clean? We use to think it was crazy Dibaba ran 3:50, now American women are nearing the 3:54, 3:53 mark.
She's definitely in shape to shatter Rowbury's old AR, but if 3:54.99 is still the record (and nothing has let me to believe that would be revoked yet) I think that will be tough. Basically needs to be a 1500 final just like Doha for that to happen for her, and without Hasan and Tsegay running the 1500 that seems like a tough ask. Vivian may just sit for awhile and dial in up in the last 400-800.
If Tsegay gets named to the team despite not running it at the trials there's a shot she could be pulled.
She doesn't need a global final. 2 women literally just ran 3:53's in diamond league a couple weeks ago. The odds of a race going that fast in a DL are much higher than in a championship race. Doha was only special because of Hassan. Yes, Hassan was in the DL a few weeks ago, but Muir, Tsegay, and Kipyegon are regularly on the circuit and Elle can request a fast pace.
