Timothy Cheruiyot goes home DEVASTED 4th at Kenyan 1500m Olympic Trials (race video)

Renato Canova wrote:

You are really an idiot racist, or, if you prefer, a racist idiot (can choose which one is the substantive and which one is the adjective).

And you are a cosmic liar : it's very difficult to find somebody able to falsify the reality like you.

Your dishonesty is at incredible level, such as your idiocy and your racism.

How do you square your claim that Tim had a hamstring injury with Bernard Ouma telling LetsRun that he is fit and just had a problem in the race ('which is now fixed')?

Tim himself says he is back in training and looking forward to upcoming races.

Why has he been left off the team Canova? Surely you must be hearing rumours?

And I'm neither racist nor an idiot. And you are far too much in denial of the serious doping problem in Kenya.

surveysays wrote:

Number 17 wrote:

Tim off the potato juice.

Sounds like Burgin.

Here is a new name for you from Algeria (aged 18 years).

He is the one that won the 800m in Doha Diamond League 2021.

DATE OF BIRTH 05 JUL 2002

Tel your prodigy (clean) white to prepare himself for the future.

Number 48 wrote:

How do you square your claim that Tim had a hamstring injury with Bernard Ouma telling LetsRun that he is fit and just had a problem in the race ('which is now fixed')?

Tim himself says he is back in training and looking forward to upcoming races.

Why has he been left off the team Canova? Surely you must be hearing rumours?

And I'm neither racist nor an idiot. And you are far too much in denial of the serious doping problem in Kenya.

Why was he left off the team? Because he was a well-beaten fourth. His coach can say he's fine in an attempt to get him a reprieve, but let's see what he can do on the circuit to prove that he's OK. Also thanks to the poster that shared the race videos. Unbelievable last 100 for Simotwo. The guy who got 3rd did a ton of work and got pipped, don't know how you justify excluding him either.

Number 48 wrote:

Renato Canova wrote:

You are really an idiot racist, or, if you prefer, a racist idiot (can choose which one is the substantive and which one is the adjective).

And you are a cosmic liar : it's very difficult to find somebody able to falsify the reality like you.

Your dishonesty is at incredible level, such as your idiocy and your racism.

How do you square your claim that Tim had a hamstring injury with Bernard Ouma telling LetsRun that he is fit and just had a problem in the race ('which is now fixed')?

Tim himself says he is back in training and looking forward to upcoming races.

Why has he been left off the team Canova? Surely you must be hearing rumours?

And I'm neither racist nor an idiot. And you are far too much in denial of the serious doping problem in Kenya.

If there was a poll among LRCers to vote the most racist poster on here you would probably win by a wide margin, Coevett.

Renato, it's Coevett you are replying to. Don't waste your time.

Renato, you know you are speaking to Coevett here? Probably the most notorious liar in letsrun history . An old fart who posts the natural limit for Kenyans is 3:34 but Jakob can run 3:24 clean. That Kenyans were all doped from the very first international appearance in the early 1960s.

Marl Kalone wrote:

Number 48 wrote:

How do you square your claim that Tim had a hamstring injury with Bernard Ouma telling LetsRun that he is fit and just had a problem in the race ('which is now fixed')?

Tim himself says he is back in training and looking forward to upcoming races.

Why has he been left off the team Canova? Surely you must be hearing rumours?

And I'm neither racist nor an idiot. And you are far too much in denial of the serious doping problem in Kenya.

If there was a poll among LRCers to vote the most racist poster on here you would probably win by a wide margin, Coevett.

Renato, it's Coevett you are replying to. Don't waste your time.

And most of them would be the same two or three doping apologists under different usernames.

Canova likes Coevett, he knows Number 48 isn't him.

Mr T.......... wrote:

Canova likes Coevett, he knows Number 48 isn't him.

LOL

It's so clear it's you! Mr T/Number XX/Coevett

But it's kind of entertaining. Have a nice day.

Mr T.......... wrote:

Canova likes Coevett, he knows Number 48 isn't him.

IT's getting confusing now , Coevett. MrT, Nr 12345...

People start believing there are dozens of racists like you.

Passant wrote:

surveysays wrote:

Sounds like Burgin.

Here is a new name for you from Algeria (aged 18 years).

He is the one that won the 800m in Doha Diamond League 2021.

DATE OF BIRTH 05 JUL 2002

https://www.worldathletics.org/athletes/algeria/mohamed-ali-gouaned-14844189

Tel your prodigy (clean) white to prepare himself for the future.

Not impressed - he needs to eat more peas and carrots.

Let me ask something : are you addict with which drug ? Of course, some drug detroying your brain that step by step becomes like mud.

You are not able to look at something else than doping. Which was your problem in the past ?

You write without knowing anything. I'm not a doping apologist, instead I think the penalties has to be more strong (for example, jail too), WHEN WE ARE SURE THE ATHLETE IS DOPED.

But we have to see INSIDE every situation. In the penal law, the sanction for similar offences is not the same : a crime can't be sanctioned by mathematics, but there are a lot of different factors to consider.

This doesn't happen in many cases of doping. The VOLUNTARY doping of somebody who wants to improve in unfair way his performances can't be compared with the CASUAL doping of somebody who didn't follow the rules for ignorance without the idea of cheating.

Do you have some idea of how many African persons take medicines containing, for example, a very small percentage of steroids, that are not written on the package containing the tablets ?

These medicines comes from Asian Countries (China, India, Vietnam, Pakistan) that don't have the MUST to write the composition of the medicine, like in Europe and in US.

And if you are sick and go to the pharmacist with a prescription for 10 tablets, but the package contains 20 tablets, the pharmacist remove 10 tablets, wraps them in a piece of paper, and people goes home without knowing what there is inside every tablet (because in Africa medicines are important for saving lifes, not for doping).

More than 90% of the positive athletes are not of international level. Their mind, and their behavior, is not the one of a professional athlete, but is the one of a normal person, maybe a farmer or a cook (and that mentality involves athletes for 2:08 of marathon too, because in Kenya they are amateur, the most part WITHOUT any management).

Go to see the reasons of the bans : how many are for steroids (nandrolone the most found in the samples) and how many are for EPO, and how many for whereabouts failures, and after you can have more precise percentages.

While I want to understand what there is BEHIND any doping, and I find more than 50% of doped Africans not coscient of their fault (for example, Lucy Kabuu banned for morphine, substance that reduces the ability to transport oxygen...), you decide that everybody is doped, and insult me writing something without understanding.

"You've changed your story from, "Kenyans dont dope" to "the top Kenyans dont dope because it doesn't help them."

Yes, I can tell you again that, when I wrote "Kenyans don't dope", this was the truth. I wrote this BEFORE 2012, and I can assure that till that period NEVER I heard some athlete asking not for doping, but also for legal supplements.

In that year, for the first time I saw something different, and I went to explain this bad mentality to the Chairman of AK, Isahia Kiplagat, who told me "this is an internal affair, we go to face this, is not something interesting you in our Country".

So, I realized some doping was coming on, for the athletes running local competitions on the road, that have some prize not bad for runners of third level.

The fact I think EPO doesn't help the best athletes having proper training in altitude to increase thsir performances is something I continue to think, looking at the results that CLEAN athletes were (and are) able to do, including WR.

Another thing : I always spoke about EPO, not about general doping : I have no doubt that without steroids is not possible to reach the same level of strength, for example. Athletics is made of numbers, and if the WR in all the event of muscle power and explosivity are still the same from 33 years ago (finally Crouser moved the list...) there is a reason.

But I refuse the idea that is not possible to achieve top results in middle and long distances without doping, therefore all the not-banned athletes or were not tested or were more clever than the athletes caught by WADA, supposing they have a chain of people helping them in scientific way like Lance Armstrong.

Who thinks like this, doesn't have any idea about the situation in Africa : where they live, how many of them are organized, the level of "science" they have around, the food they eat, substantially how they live.

For that reason I can't tolerate the stupid attemps to ridicule athletes who are very good persons with high ethic values like Timothy, calling him "potato Tim". And I can't tolerate what you write without knowing ;

"I'd imagine you're profitting off of pimping out these foreign athletes who come from poor countries in a lucrative and sketchy manner"

What you imagine is exactly the opposite of the reality. I don't profit by everybody, but I help them and their families for what I can (also economically), because I want to give back something to a Country that gave me the opportunity to coach some of the best athletes in the World and to receive money from a Federation (Qatar) that I reversed for 80% in the basic activity of young runners, for example supporting without any management for 4 years a training camp with my money (about 40,000 USD per year), paying coaches (one of them, Peter Mathu, was for two years the head coach of Kenya) and to explore the human limits at different level from before.

"People like you are the reason doping is prevalent".

No, people like you are the reason, because give too much importance to some doping as reason for the performances, creating a "doping mentality" in all the athletes that know never can have a doping test because more weak, or too young as schoolboys, or too old as amateurs.

Sport needs antidoping, but not THIS antidoping, that doesn't look at the "dosage" of the substances, doesn't look at the REAL effect on the performance, and doesn't try to analyze what there is around any offence. Of course, if you are African : because if you are from UK or from US, every strange excuse sometimes can be accepted.

People like you are the reason doping is prevalent. Can you finally admit that the top kenyan athletes have a doping proble

Timothy suffered for a hamstring problem immediately after Doha (when he won with 3'30").

I don't know if he felt the problem during the race : maybe not (also if I saw him limping in the last 200m), but of sure the loss of more than one month of training without having speed didn't allow him to change speed at the end.

However, my personal idea is that the team, at the end, can present some variation, and Timothy can find a place in the team, if able to show a recovered shape.

Renato Canova wrote:

Timothy suffered for a hamstring problem immediately after Doha (when he won with 3'30").

I don't know if he felt the problem during the race : maybe not (also if I saw him limping in the last 200m), but of sure the loss of more than one month of training without having speed didn't allow him to change speed at the end.

However, my personal idea is that the team, at the end, can present some variation, and Timothy can find a place in the team, if able to show a recovered shape.

Makes sense Renato, thanks for the insight. It's a tough one for the third-place finisher Kipsang if it plays out that way. He's had a stellar year and ran 3:32 in Europe. He ran very aggressively in this final — if he'd played it safe and saved more for the last 50 you'd pick him for 1st or 2nd. But if Tim runs 3:29 and shows full health it'd be hard to not give him a spot.

Do you know of Simotwo's preparation? That's by far the best showing I've seen from him in his career. That was a finish like Elijah Manangoi in the last 100 there, and the type of one that can steal a silver or bronze medal in a championship race (maybe even in a gold if nobody separates). To do that in a 3:32 race shows some strong potential.

Thanks a lot for all your effort here, Renato.

Coevett wrote:

Not impressed - he needs to eat more peas and carrots.

He ranked 2 (silver medal) in the last U20 World Championship, distance 800m.

Renato, common-fate studies show up to 20% of the population operates only to cause harm to others, even if doing so also harms themselves. These are bad apples and you cannot be logical with or argue sense into them. They gain utility from chaos.

Please do not waste your time on these people (or, this person). There is no winning in such an argument.

In the meantime, thank you for your fascinating contributions to this site.