Congrats to Sara Hall on her season ending victory today.

she needs an agent wrote:

Please ask yourself why not one of the 10 Women that have run faster than Sarah decided to run in NY today? NOT ONE.

Because a trip to NY 2 weeks out from racing on the track on the other side of the country is a stupid money grab. I understand and appreciate that Sara loves to race but this is where an agent or coach needs to step in.

The travel is dumb. Racing on the hilly roads is dumb. The deservedly great hype is poor stimuli 2 weeks out.

Sara just destroyed any chance she had to be an Olympian. AGAIN

I agree that a fast 3K or 5K would have made more sense but wait and see how she does in a few weeks before you blast her for it. She has done decent in the past by racing frequently.

art of coaching wrote:

she needs an agent wrote:

Please ask yourself why not one of the 10 Women that have run faster than Sarah decided to run in NY today? NOT ONE.

Because a trip to NY 2 weeks out from racing on the track on the other side of the country is a stupid money grab. I understand and appreciate that Sara loves to race but this is where an agent or coach needs to step in.

The travel is dumb. Racing on the hilly roads is dumb. The deservedly great hype is poor stimuli 2 weeks out.

Sara just destroyed any chance she had to be an Olympian. AGAIN

I agree that a fast 3K or 5K would have made more sense but wait and see how she does in a few weeks before you blast her for it. She has done decent in the past by racing frequently.

I agree with you but it is far more than just the stress of the distance. NY travel is a stressor. NY press is a stressor.

she needs an agent wrote:

I agree with you but it is far more than just the stress of the distance. NY travel is a stressor. NY press is a stressor.

The poor dear. Travel to NY to battle the fawning nyc running press.

Lighten up, Francis.

Not complaining at all. I love NY and I love the attention we are given. I just believe that the timing is poor. Maybe I’m wrong. We will all find out in a couple weeks. The point is that Sara needs to do everything right to make the Olympic team and 100% of those that she will have to deal with in Eugene chose another route.

Cranny and Schweizer closed their 10k PR's with a 15:10 5k. Sarah Hall's 5k PR is 15:20. She never had a shot at the Olympic team in the 10k and she knows it.

aztec the moronic wrote:

Cranny and Schweizer closed their 10k PR's with a 15:10 5k. Sarah Hall's 5k PR is 15:20. She never had a shot at the Olympic team in the 10k and she knows it.

She has a chance but obviously wouldn’t be favored over Schweizer and Cranny. Both are true.

September 29th 2019, Hall finishes 5th in Berlin with a four minute PB of 2:22. Now a top contender to make the US Olympic marathon team, the time is right for her to recover and focus on the marathon trials in February.

Instead, she races the US ten mile champs the next week. She wins, exhibiting great heart and strength, but why? At what cost?

She then decides to race another marathon, NYC, just 4 weeks later. She feels sick the day before but starts the race anyway. She fades and DNFs, feeling "weak and wobbly."

February 29th 2020, Atlanta, we see Sara grit her teeth early, struggle, and disappear. DNF.

If Sara was just running for the money, that's fine with me. Cash in while you can. I'm sure she got a generous appearance fee to double back at NYC 2019. But if she wanted to make the Olympics, and I got the impression that she did, then it seems to me that NYC, and probably even the us 10 mile, were poor decisions. Just my opinion.

Now she's gunning for the Olympic 10k. I hope she makes it. I'm sure today's win was a nice payday and a big confidence boost. I hope she has enough time to recover and be at her best for the trials in two weeks.

birdbeard wrote:

aztec the moronic wrote:

Cranny and Schweizer closed their 10k PR's with a 15:10 5k. Sarah Hall's 5k PR is 15:20. She never had a shot at the Olympic team in the 10k and she knows it.

She has a chance but obviously wouldn’t be favored over Schweizer and Cranny. Both are true.

She closed her 10k on the hilly Central Park course in 15:18. Cha-ching!

she needs an agent wrote:

Please ask yourself why not one of the 10 Women that have run faster than Sarah decided to run in NY today? NOT ONE.

Because a trip to NY 2 weeks out from racing on the track on the other side of the country is a stupid money grab. I understand and appreciate that Sara loves to race but this is where an agent or coach needs to step in.

Her Coach/Agent works in mysterious ways.

birdbeard wrote:

aztec the moronic wrote:

Cranny and Schweizer closed their 10k PR's with a 15:10 5k. Sarah Hall's 5k PR is 15:20. She never had a shot at the Olympic team in the 10k and she knows it.

She has a chance but obviously wouldn’t be favored over Schweizer and Cranny. Both are true.

I think Sisson and Hall both make the team.

Aussiestatman wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

She has a chance but obviously wouldn’t be favored over Schweizer and Cranny. Both are true.

I think Sisson and Hall both make the team.

Sisson ran 3 sub-15 5Ks this year. She's a lock. Hall has no chance! For example Alicia Monsen wouldn't be considered a favourite to make either the 5K or the 10K team and Monson has a faster PR's in the 5K and 10K than Hall. (Monson also ran a 4:07 1500 recently so we don't even have to talk about finishing speed.) If Cranny, Schweizer and Sisson are on the startline of the 10K, that's the team.

Isn't her agent Josh Cox?

So does the OP. He just doesn't like Hall.

she needs an agent wrote:

Please ask yourself why not one of the 10 Women that have run faster than Sarah decided to run in NY today? NOT ONE.

Because a trip to NY 2 weeks out from racing on the track on the other side of the country is a stupid money grab. I understand and appreciate that Sara loves to race but this is where an agent or coach needs to step in.

The travel is dumb. Racing on the hilly roads is dumb. The deservedly great hype is poor stimuli 2 weeks out.

Sara just destroyed any chance she had to be an Olympian. AGAIN

No statement from you about Molly Huddle?

Has this scheduling ruined your chances of making the olympic team in the past?

To be fair, the schedule can't ruin a chance to make an Olympic team Sara doesn't have. As is objectively stated in this thread, she's never had the speed to make an Olympic team 10k, nor been close. The speed isn't magically going to appear at age 38.

Sara is a bright woman. She knows. She's enjoying being a fine road runner, and making a decent living.

she needs an agent wrote:

Please ask yourself why not one of the 10 Women that have run faster than Sarah decided to run in NY today? NOT ONE.

Because a trip to NY 2 weeks out from racing on the track on the other side of the country is a stupid money grab. I understand and appreciate that Sara loves to race but this is where an agent or coach needs to step in.

The travel is dumb. Racing on the hilly roads is dumb. The deservedly great hype is poor stimuli 2 weeks out.

Sara just destroyed any chance she had to be an Olympian. AGAIN

You have to understand that Hall's march to the beat of their own drum. You'd think that Sara and Ryan know what they're doing. Sara is in amazing shape right now, and clearly, the hands of time are NOT on her side. The question is what is she going to do between now and the trials? Her base work is complete, she can't do anything to improve her speed, and if she tries to do so she'll only get hurt. So why not run a hard 10k (probably trained through it), get paid, and then just chill until the trials. Recovery won't be an issue, she's proven to bounce back after races and do well. Striking while the iron is hot is smart, as I said, time is not on her side and she needs to tap the well while it still has water.

You know it's going to be a MAX effort at the trials, and Sara knows it as well. She doesn't have many options. All in...Full throttle!

I hope she makes the team!

Hall has very little chance to make the Olympic team. Track races always come down to the kick and Hall doesn't have one. At 38, she's maximizing her earnings. Olympic team or not, she's not going to be a professional runner much longer.

Les wrote:

Hall has very little chance to make the Olympic team. Track races always come down to the kick and Hall doesn't have one. At 38, she's maximizing her earnings. Olympic team or not, she's not going to be a professional runner much longer.

She doesn't need a kick to make the team. Plenty of people medaled (and even won) by running a hard last 1k-3k. Can she say run the last mile on like 445? No clue. She might not have had much of a kick but her 1500m PR is solid.

It would be interesting to know what the goal for that 10k was and how much the peaked for it. I assume they did peak a bit and that the goal was the standard. She spent a lot of time pushing the pace in that race. Not being able to cover that move with 800 to go isn't encouraging but that is the type of thing 6 weeks of training and race sharpness can make up.

Should be a fun race in a week

It is His will and to His glory that she grab the loot and not make the team.