Goucher*
Goucher*
Doesn’t he get in via last trials champ and
Olympic team member ?
Sounds good to me
alien wrote:
nike running the show again? wrote:
Jager is listed in the entries for the Trials with NT and noted as “qualified”. Is there some sort of exemption into the Trials? Never heard of one. Maybe this is the USATF bows down to Nike’s wishes exemption. I don’t know how others not affiliated with Nike aren’t going nuts about this.
he medaled in the last olympics. he also meets some of the other auto-qualifier things as well. theres a few ways someone can auto qualify for the trials with a NT
Could you be just a bit more vague???
Even with the USATF auto-qualifying rules (for which Jager meets the criteria), USATF can add anyone to the trials, it's their discretion.
Also, did anyone see how Keter ran at the Portland Track Festival? He ran well, only Ferlic could get him and that was late in the race. I could see Ferlic and Bor pushing it 1k out. Even McGorty because last lap sprinting over steeples takes more experience that just being good at the barriers. I expect the top 3 to be under 8:22. Jager isn't stupid, if it's cutting it close at the mile split, he will take over. This isn't Kincaid.
avnlkkn wrote:
Even with the USATF auto-qualifying rules (for which Jager meets the criteria), USATF can add anyone to the trials, it's their discretion..
They should add DK Metcalf and then everyone would watch
JFGI, folks, JFGI wrote:
It's not rocket science:
RULE 8: AUTOMATIC QUALIFICATION
Any athlete who attains any of the following shall be afforded automatic qualification into a...USA Olympic Team Selection in the same event in which the performance was attained:
1. Track and Field -
(a) During the current or four previous calendar years, earned an individual medal in track and field in an Olympic Games or in an IAAF World Indoor or Outdoor Championship...
http://www.legacy.usatf.org/usatf/files/da/daf2d12d-b51c-475c-9b06-4a6b41d81071.pdf#page=22
According to the part of Rule 8 in bold, Jager doesn't qualify for the trials. Unless there was some rule amendment for the 2021 Trials where everyone that auto qualified for 2020 was given continuation for another year. Was this ever put in writing in the rulebook?
God damn get over it. This is the “2020 trials” anyway. You are fighting a stupid fight.
I'm as grossed out by Nike's interventions and their lack of consideration to even give USATF a reacharound as anyone, but even if there wasn't a rule getting JAger in the meet would be the right thing to do. He may not be a sub-8:10 guy anymore, but until someone takes the throne he's the best guy in the country. You'd rather have some D3 guy who runs 9:01 in the heats?
kmaclam wrote:
alien wrote:
he medaled in the last olympics. he also meets some of the other auto-qualifier things as well. theres a few ways someone can auto qualify for the trials with a NT
Could you be just a bit more vague???
"he medaled in the last olympics"
I'm not sure how much more clear I could be. Did I need to add that the last olympics was in 2016? In Rio De Janeiro? On a blue track? In the month of August?
Try harder please wrote:
According to the part of Rule 8 in bold, Jager doesn't qualify for the trials. Unless there was some rule amendment for the 2021 Trials where everyone that auto qualified for 2020 was given continuation for another year. Was this ever put in writing in the rulebook?
What are you taking about? This year is 2021. The previous calendar year was 2020. Two previous calendar years ago was 2019. Four previous calendar years ago was 2017, a year in which Jager medaled at Worlds.
TL; DNR: Jager qualifies for the OT under Rule 8 because he medaled at Worlds in London in 2017.
Under USATF Rule 8, Jager qualifies for the OT if:
1) "During the current or four previous calendar years, "
Current year = 2021
Four previous calendar years = 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017
2) he has "earned an individual medal in track and field in an Olympic Games or[b/] in an IAAF World Indoor or Outdoor Championship..."
In 2017, Jager won Bronze at the IAAF World Outdoor Championship in London.
adobe wrote:
I'm as grossed out by Nike's interventions and their lack of consideration to even give USATF a reacharound as anyone, but even if there wasn't a rule getting JAger in the meet would be the right thing to do. He may not be a sub-8:10 guy anymore, but until someone takes the throne he's the best guy in the country. You'd rather have some D3 guy who runs 9:01 in the heats?
It's not a Nike intervention it's USATF Rule 8 learn your rules dont slander Nike
birdbeard2 wrote:
big time handicapper wrote:
Yeah, what do you want to wager?
I think Ferlic or Bor can give him a run for his money. Maybe McGorty.
Wouldn’t be shocked to see him not qualify for the Olympics. If he was 100% he would have gotten the Standard Even if he took it easy and just barely dipped under. Having to get T3 and the standard at the trials (or by the end of June, I believe?) is a lot of pressure.
So what do you want to wager chap? I’m good to go 75K he makes the team and 35K he wins the damn thing. Straight odds
He has an NT. He cant run trials u tools.
WHOIS wrote:
drbop wrote:
USATF Rule 8. However, there is no such wild card for the Olympics, Jager will need to be top 3 AND under 8:22.
Dathan Ritzenhein, 10000M, 2004 Athens Games.
Ritz making the team in 2004 had nothing to do with Rule 8. He got the spot because there were not 3 other athletes with the "A" standard that chose to compete in the 10K. Meb gave up his spot and BK dropped out of trials final with an injury.
Third page and still no one has adequately explained how someone with "no time" is allowed to run in the trials. Plenty of people are sure of their opinions. No one presenting facts.
still waiting wrote:
Third page and still no one has adequately explained how someone with "no time" is allowed to run in the trials. Plenty of people are sure of their opinions. No one presenting facts.
Adam Goucher didn't have a qualifying 10k time in 2008 and was exempted in, essentially because of his prior accomplishments and connections.
He medaled in 2017. If you medaled in last four years, you get automatic buy into the meet. Just like Dawn Harper-Nelson in 100h
precedents wrote:
still waiting wrote:
Third page and still no one has adequately explained how someone with "no time" is allowed to run in the trials. Plenty of people are sure of their opinions. No one presenting facts.
Adam Goucher didn't have a qualifying 10k time in 2008 and was exempted in, essentially because of his prior accomplishments and connections.
Does nobody remember the phrase “Gouchered in” anymore???
“Gouchered in” - a Nike athlete gets into the USATF race without an actual qualifying mark. Also applies when USATF expands the originally listed field size to take a couple of additional athletes with provisional marks. (Chris Derrick, 2016 Olympic Trials)
still waiting wrote:
Third page and still no one has adequately explained how someone with "no time" is allowed to run in the trials. Plenty of people are sure of their opinions. No one presenting facts.
The applicable rule has been mentioned a quoted at least a couple of times. A few nitwits are too stupid to understand the rule.