BREAKING: DeSantis Saves Girls Sports in Florida!!

johnny5 wrote:

Tatar wrote:

Trans men cannot compete in the men's because "girls are going to play girls sports and boys are going to play boys sports" and they also cannot compete in the women's because many receive hormone therapy.

In what way is that not a ban?

Trans women being technically allowed to compete in the men's doesn't disguise the fact no-one on testosterone suppressants is going to be able to compete.

So you didn't click the link, much less read the article. Got it.

Huh? The article makes even less sense.

So it's fine for men and women to compete against each other in the men's division with all the associated advantages and disadvantages but not in the women's division?

There's not even any internal logic.

There will be a lot of push Back and court cases from the left regarding this. Trans are at the top of the foodchain (Trans/nonbinary > gay > poc > women > white male)

If you’re going to read the leftist Yahoo spin, you might as well balance it out with the Right wing article.

I’m quite moderate, and I’m very glad that Desantis is my governor. Our economy stayed strong during COVID, people are flocking to our state, second fastest growing state behind only Texas. COVID numbers are plummeting all while everything has been open.

This is a common sense issue. It might not be worthy of legislation quite yet as I don’t think it’s a crisis, but the underlying issue of letting biological males (is that a slur now?) compete against biological females is completely unfair to the females. Serena Williams admitted that she would not be a force in Men’s tennis, I don’t remember exactly but I recall she said something like she wouldn’t crack the top 100.

A High School boys soccer team beat the US women’s national team. A 17 year old boy (not technically a man yet) just ran a 20.11 200M. Faster than any woman in history. The best HS basketball teams would beat any WNBA team.

I feel for transgender people, and again I don’t think it’s a crisis, but it’s really common sense. Look and feel like a girl if you want to, but compete against the boys.

Correction, it wasn’t Serena that said it. It was John McEnroe that said Serena would be around #700 in the Men’s rankings. Apparently she lost handily to #208 ranked male in the world back in the late 90s.

It was a poor choice of a day to do the bill signing and a purely political move to make the announcement at a private christian school. DeSantis did keep the Florida economy from running, but he is a divider and will only push our country further apart.

*ruin during COVID

He’s a divider because he calls it like it is, not what people want to hear. Cracks down and increases penalties for riots, the left spins it as racist. Many of today’s protesters and rioters are white 20 somethings with nothing better to do.

Sure, he’s a politician and I really don’t like any politician, but he is the lesser of other evils out there IMO.

"Calling it like it is" is subjective...

This is why sports leagues need to drop the Mens/Boys distinction and replace it with the Open Division. Anyone is free to compete in the open divisions, including any woman who chooses to, but the Women's only division is for biological women only.

Rainy Day wrote:

He’s a divider because he calls it like it is, not what people want to hear.

it's what you want to hear, and there are a lot of awful people like you in Florida. Do you genuinely think he cares about the future of women's sport? I doubt you care about women's sport.

So it's exactly what people want to hear.

Tatar wrote:

just some regular guy wrote:

Headline on that article is misleading. Transgender girls/women aren't banned from all sports. They are banned from GIRLS' sports. They may still participate in boys' sports.

Trans men cannot compete in the men's because "girls are going to play girls sports and boys are going to play boys sports" and they also cannot compete in the women's because many receive hormone therapy.

In what way is that not a ban?

Trans women being technically allowed to compete in the men's doesn't disguise the fact no-one on testosterone suppressants is going to be able to compete.

Who's forcing anyone to take testosterone suppressants? That's an aesthetic decision.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

I don’t care if it’s not a level playing field. No sport is a level playing field. Saying to a teenage girl, “...play boy’s sports or none at all,” is needlessly cruel.

Who's telling girls they have to play in the boys division? That would make no sense at all. Completely illogical. A biological girl, competing against boys? That's ridiculous. Farcical, even.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

I don’t care if it’s not a level playing field. No sport is a level playing field. Saying to a teenage girl, “You were born a boy, so either play boy’s sports or none at all,” is needlessly cruel.

If we're talking about rec sports, POSSIBLY... In HS/club sports? F No!

just race wrote:

This is why sports leagues need to drop the Mens/Boys distinction and replace it with the Open Division. Anyone is free to compete in the open divisions, including any woman who chooses to, but the Women's only division is for biological women only.

That is just semantics. How to you square the fact "biological" men and women will apparently be allowed the compete equally against each other in the Open Division but not in the women's?

A trans woman may have experienced a male puberty but is almost certainly taking hormone suppressants making competition against men virtually impossible. Equally trans men don't experience a male puberty so they can also make the identical argument and say they are at a disadvantage (but they don't because they understand all these arguments are basically pointless).

It's a minefield of different advantages and disadvantages so be nice and let them in.

Nads McSchlongnuts wrote:

Tatar wrote:

Trans men cannot compete in the men's because "girls are going to play girls sports and boys are going to play boys sports" and they also cannot compete in the women's because many receive hormone therapy.

In what way is that not a ban?

Trans women being technically allowed to compete in the men's doesn't disguise the fact no-one on testosterone suppressants is going to be able to compete.

Who's forcing anyone to take testosterone suppressants? That's an aesthetic decision.

Not always. Many (but not all) trans people experience gender dysphoria and hormone therapy is a legitimate medical use to address these feelings.

Jerry Maguire wrote:

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

Good job Ron!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/florida-governor-bans-transgender-women-160323051.html

Saw this, its awesome.

Unfortunately the left is going to lose their minds.... I just cannot understand this for the life of me. What's going to be the tipping point where people realize that trans athletes cannot compete with women? Olympic Gold by a trans athlete?

I'm an independent who voted Democrat in the last election.

Why is the left going to lose their minds? These state bans are meaningless. If, and when, a transgender shows up, they can challenge the new law and we'll see happens. Idaho was sued by a college transgender athlete and they are likely to lose. Some states decided to allow them to compete because they figured they would lose in court if challenged.

There is no tipping point where people realize transgender athletes cannot compete with women. It only matters what the judges will decide.

trollism wrote:

Rainy Day wrote:

He’s a divider because he calls it like it is, not what people want to hear.

it's what you want to hear, and there are a lot of awful people like you in Florida. Do you genuinely think he cares about the future of women's sport? I doubt you care about women's sport.

So it's exactly what people want to hear.

It’s the hard truth. Men are significantly better at almost every sport. Especially sports that provide college scholarships.

I don’t think DeSantis wants to cave to the 0.5% at the expense of the other 99.5%. The 0.5% can still play sports either recreationally or competitively in the Boys division.

I have a daughter that has plays competitive soccer. She will likely get a scholarship, so yes I care about women’s sport.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

I've yet to meet anyone who played sports growing up and/or understands science and the human body that actually think allowing trans females (male to female) to compete in (born) female only sports is still a level playing field.

I ran track in HS/College and have coached at the youth, HS, and adult levels. I have a USATF Level-2 certification.

I don’t care if it’s not a level playing field. No sport is a level playing field. Saying to a teenage girl, “You were born a boy, so either play boy’s sports or none at all,” is needlessly cruel.

Life is too short. Let people life their lives in their chosen gender and compete in that gender.

Well said, Lenny.

Gender dysphoria is a diagnosis listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5)

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/symptoms-causes/syc-20475255