Is Hobbs Kessler's 1500m the most impressive of all high school records?

Does he have the record if we account for the 2-3 seconds that the new spikes make up? It's cool he was actually competing with pros in the field, but his record is meaningless because of the light years of speed technology the new spikes make.

DirtyT wrote:

Does he have the record if we account for the 2-3 seconds that the new spikes make up? It's cool he was actually competing with pros in the field, but his record is meaningless because of the light years of speed technology the new spikes make.

Let it go "Dirty". Just. Let. It. Go. . Join the real world and accept that this is where we are and just move forward, please.

It is not all about the shoes. It IS all about Hobbs K.

For the record: He was wearing Dragonfly (Mango edition)

There is NO carbon plate in these shoes. They are NOT like the various Next% models with a carbon matrix plate and high stacked Zoom Foam midsole.

There is a thin layer of Zoom foam, but that in no F!@#$&*g way adds up to 2-3 seconds. Hold your breath and turn blue if you wish, but until any of you Luddites comes up with a reasonably accurate study proving these shoes provide some enormous advantage, then it is due time to accept the fact that most of 'aid' these provide may be between the runner's ears.

The advantage, if there is one, is in these are very light - but there are lots of 'light weight spikes available to all.

If is meaningless (to borrow you wording) to be on the wrong side of reality.

I would keep Mondo at 1 and Hobbs at 2. Who I am I though?

DirtyT wrote:

Does he have the record if we account for the 2-3 seconds that the new spikes make up? It's cool he was actually competing with pros in the field, but his record is meaningless because of the light years of speed technology the new spikes make.

I remember when people complained about the Nike Kennedys because of how light they were. I remember when the original mambas and victorys came out and people complained about the flywire or whatever the synthetic fabric was on the shoe.

There will be spikes in the future who are "cheating"

It's time to get over it and move on. 3:34 is 3:34 whether it's downhill or on a track.

stanky legs wrote:

I would keep Mondo at 1 and Hobbs at 2. Who I am I though?

Why aren't people complaining about the technology in Mondo's pole for pole vault compared to the past? Lol

I think it's shot put

I said the same thing before and someone pointed out that the Shot record is untouched

I can't read this but seems interesting

I think while those performances may be better that Hobbs’ 1500, considering we are talking about high school records, Hobbs’ is the best. IAAF tables don’t account for the fact that high school athletes, or rather young athletes, do comparatively poorer at distance events than at sprints or jumps. People tend to reach close to their lifetime best in the sprints at a young age, whereas distance runners are expected to improve vastly from the age of 18 to 25.

So I have no evidence for this, I’m just speculating, but I believe that if you took a sample of all high school performances, you would find that the the 3:34 1500 would be more standard deviations from the high school mean than the 100 or 200. This would make the 1500 more impressive for a high schooler even though the 100 and 200 are more standard deviations away from the mean in a sample of all professional performances.

The pole vault would probably still hold up in that scenario, but I hate to say it, the pole vault is just not that competitive. The best athletes in the world run distance or sprints or jumps, or they are playing a professional sport, they don’t pole vault. So in my view a pole vault record doesn’t indicate athleticism quite like a more competitive track event.

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stanky legs wrote:

I would keep Mondo at 1 and Hobbs at 2. Who I am I though?

Why aren't people complaining about the technology in Mondo's pole for pole vault compared to the past? Lol

You have a good point! If they were pole vaulters, they would be. Lol

Actually as I was researching the point scores for each event I did discover the trend you are referring to. Young athletes tend to be relatively worse at long distance events compared to shorter and more explosive events. This does intuitively make sense as aerobic development tends to take longer to maximize than speed development. It also takes more training hours to be an elite distance runner than maybe any other running event.

I think that Kessler's performance might very well be the greatest outlier performance among high school athletes.

How is it not shot put?

Carter and Mondo have unquestionably better records. Some debate could exist about 3rd.

Strictly looking at middle/long distance, I think Lindgren's 1963 8:40 2M (indoors, on a 160y wood track) is pretty hard to top.

Mondo Duplantis then miles of daylight to the rest.

His mark was truly world class that would win a medal at practically every major global event in history.

3.34 for 1500 metres won’t even put you in the top 20 in the world most years.

When you look at the 1500m, you are looking at a truly global event, and one that the East Africans are very active it. There are so many people, that are of such high quality, competing at the 1500.

I don’t know how IAAF sets their points, but given the global competition, the nature of distance running progressing with age, and the number of people pursuing it, I’m giving it to Kessler all the way, it is the most remarkable HS record.

Ok, first off:

Pole vault and high jump are niche AF. how many talented people really devote to those events, like 50 a year?

Going to change the narrative a little here and say using absolute times isn't the best way to judge this.

Kessler set this record a few days ago? Jim Ryun set the mile record that lasted 36 years and beat the reigning Olympic champion and former WR holder Peter Snell in the same race, while winning the AAU title.

Then you have Bob Mathias winning the Olympic decathlon at 17 years old, that remains the youngest T&F athlete to win a gold medal.

Both of them can lay claim to beating the best in the world as high schoolers. We will never see that again.

Clearly either you haven't raced in the new spikes or you're just an angry person who need to take out their anger on the internet(?) because I have and they ABSOLUTELY make the difference. The carbon plate isn't the difference maker it's the foams responsiveness. I don't understand how anyone couldn't understand this. For instance Hoka Carbon X has a carbon plate in theirs but the responsiveness is garbage so they don't make as much of a difference.

This is not to say Hobbs Kessler isn't amazing, because he clearly is. But, his record isn't real.

Have ran in them

They’re spongy so you recover better so you can heal and get fast easy

They really don’t do much