Why? That’s just bad coaching. Let her run a good race when all the eyes are on her. Then do the tempo after if that’s what you need.
Why? That’s just bad coaching. Let her run a good race when all the eyes are on her. Then do the tempo after if that’s what you need.
Dr Yuengling wrote:
Micheal wassfu wrote:
It's possible this is fanboying I would call hitting a 10k PR after a tempo during a marathon buildup impressive.
It is impressive, but I think it’s fair that some people would rather have seen how fast she could have gone fresh. The general trend of athletes racing “as a workout” is somewhat off putting to me.
There's nothing wrong with using a race as a workout. Back in the day Bill Rodgers would race 30+ times a year. He definitely used some of those as workouts. In 1978 he actually won 27 out of 30 races across all the distances he competed in. Racing can be great speed work. I'd prefer athletes racing more often than them being like the Bowerman Track Club and maybe only racing 3-5 times a year.
I have no idea what her specific training is calling for at this time in whatever cycle she's in, but I do know when I was super fit I started to incorporate 15-20 minutes of tempo pace about 30 minutes prior to race as warm up as I got in my 30s or so. I felt it really helped warm me up and true tempo effort for that amount of time wasn't draining any race energy.
Started noticing how good I felt on and after tempo days and just tried it as an experiment once with great results so I just kept doing it. Not sure if it's a popular strategy or not.
I’m not commenting one way or another about the workout or coaching. It just caught my attention and I thought in sum it was an impressive result.
highhoppingworm wrote:
I’m not commenting one way or another about the workout or coaching. It just caught my attention and I thought in sum it was an impressive result.
Impressive workout! Lost the race...
agc5k wrote:
Dr Yuengling wrote:
It is impressive, but I think it’s fair that some people would rather have seen how fast she could have gone fresh. The general trend of athletes racing “as a workout” is somewhat off putting to me.
There's nothing wrong with using a race as a workout. Back in the day Bill Rodgers would race 30+ times a year. He definitely used some of those as workouts. In 1978 he actually won 27 out of 30 races across all the distances he competed in. Racing can be great speed work. I'd prefer athletes racing more often than them being like the Bowerman Track Club and maybe only racing 3-5 times a year.
I’m not in disagreement with you about racing often. I just think that if you run a tempo right before a race and post it on strava then it seems like you’re not taking the race particularly seriously.
Dr Yuengling wrote:
agc5k wrote:
There's nothing wrong with using a race as a workout. Back in the day Bill Rodgers would race 30+ times a year. He definitely used some of those as workouts. In 1978 he actually won 27 out of 30 races across all the distances he competed in. Racing can be great speed work. I'd prefer athletes racing more often than them being like the Bowerman Track Club and maybe only racing 3-5 times a year.
I’m not in disagreement with you about racing often. I just think that if you run a tempo right before a race and post it on strava then it seems like you’re not taking the race particularly seriously.
She posts all her training on Strava.
I'm guessing the point of the race was learning to run a fast pace on pre-fatigued legs. Seems like that could be a useful skill to have in the only important race she will run this year. The one that takes place in 10 weeks.
Maybe she’s training for the Olympic marathon!
grumpyoldman wrote:
But she wore those stupid socks and the shades at night to milk a few sponsor bucks.
Lol what pro runners make too much $ now?
Not immediately before. This is a weird workout. 1h recovery?
quickytug wrote:
Always good to have an excuse lined up for running sub par time
Hey doofus she’s training for the Olympic Marathon. And you? See nothing wrong with using races as part of a workout.
Saw that too. Super impressive. Great day of marathon training.
What happened to going to a race to actually race ? I don’t understand runners doing a workout before or after a race and not giving a full effort in the race . I know her goal is the Olympic marathon but elite runners race so infrequently these days why not put a hard effort into the race ?
agc5k wrote:
Dr Yuengling wrote:
It is impressive, but I think it’s fair that some people would rather have seen how fast she could have gone fresh. The general trend of athletes racing “as a workout” is somewhat off putting to me.
There's nothing wrong with using a race as a workout. Back in the day Bill Rodgers would race 30+ times a year. He definitely used some of those as workouts. In 1978 he actually won 27 out of 30 races across all the distances he competed in. Racing can be great speed work. I'd prefer athletes racing more often than them being like the Bowerman Track Club and maybe only racing 3-5 times a year.
Steve Ovett used races as workouts all the time. He'd jump into half marathons and 10ks, anything. Seidel got in 11 miles of great work and qualified for the track trials if she wants to run them for fun. That's a good day
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quickytug wrote:
Less than 50% chance she gets to the line at Tokyo healthy.
Is this a bad thing? She could play it safe and get 30th in the Olympics, or she can train hard and either get injured or have a really good showing. I hope she chose the latter.
Ooh, I get to quote myself!
Molly played it perfectly.
quickytug wrote:
Dr Yuengling wrote:
It is impressive, but I think it’s fair that some people would rather have seen how fast she could have gone fresh. The general trend of athletes racing “as a workout” is somewhat off putting to me.
THANK YOU!
It’s a good thing you were there to critique Molly’s training and I’m sure she took your feedback into account on the way to the Bronze.
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Is this a bad thing? She could play it safe and get 30th in the Olympics, or she can train hard and either get injured or have a really good showing. I hope she chose the latter.
Ooh, I get to quote myself!
Molly played it perfectly.
LOL!!!! You spelled out 2 very *obvious* scenarios and one happened. You really put it out there old man. Keep it up. Next thing you know you'll be saying Rupp will play it safe and not medal or he'll go for it and medal.
Im a scientist. wrote:
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Ooh, I get to quote myself!
Molly played it perfectly.
LOL!!!! You spelled out 2 very *obvious* scenarios and one happened. You really put it out there old man. Keep it up. Next thing you know you'll be saying Rupp will play it safe and not medal or he'll go for it and medal.
Heh, not really trying to toot my own horn as much as point out how wrong the people were who insinuated she shouldn't train too hard lest she injure herself.
My original post was a bit ambiguous, but I did mean that I approved of her not playing it safe *in training*. Not genius stuff or anything, but there were plenty of people criticizing her training because there was a risk it was too much.