Stephen Scullion, 2:09 marathoner, squats 110KG and do box jumps for strength training.

Good overall video. A good range of exercises. The key with the squats is not impressive weight but having a good "pop" coming back up.

He has impressive flute development for a marathoner, looks like a jumper.

Why was my post deleted? Only made the points that there is some evidence half squats are better for speed, but carry a higher risk of knee and back injuries than full squats (which are better for overall strength development). How does that violate the Letsrun posting rules, especially considering what other crap gets left up?

Scullion is 32 years old, Hawkins is 28 years old.

Their respective levels of fame is not solely dictated by their PB’s.

When Hawkins was only 23 he finished in the top ten at the Olympics, that’s showed huge potential. Hawkins was also the first British runner to beat Mo Farrah in seven years, much of his publicity came from his potential.

I like Scullion but his trajectory has been different, he was on the scene in a meaningful fashion during his “prime years” he is now running great but he’s an older athlete.

As for the commonwealth games - Scullion was selected for them in 2010 but missed out due to sickness.

He’d be no more famous if he declared for NI only.

There’s nothing stopping him from running in the commonwealth games for NI or other champs that they send teams to. Paul Pollock and Kevin Seaward run for Ireland and NI.

Sub Elite Hobby Jogger wrote:

There’s nothing stopping him from running in the commonwealth games for NI or other champs that they send teams to. Paul Pollock and Kevin Seaward run for Ireland and NI.

Correct.

He doesn't squat 110kg. Top of his leg must go parallel with the floor. So he probably can do 55kg correctly

ddidididid wrote:

asdfqwer wrote:

Where are the squats? All I see is a guy lowering himself by an inch with some dead weight on his shoulders.

Besides he DOES box jumps.

Quarter squats are normal for runners and they have a higher correlation with running than full.

But man 110kg is light. That can't be much more than like 1.5x BW.

Very light, Makdaddy was quarter squatting 220kg/485 pounds, though a bit shallower.

How easy are shallow squats? I used to do 60deg squats with 270lbs, when i first switched to

85-90 deg squats i had to take 60lbs off the bar! Knees were much less sore with deeper squats, since my gluts/hams did the braking work, not my knees.

OTOH wrote:

ddidididid wrote:

Quarter squats are normal for runners and they have a higher correlation with running than full.

But man 110kg is light. That can't be much more than like 1.5x BW.

Very light, Makdaddy was quarter squatting 220kg/485 pounds, though a bit shallower.

How easy are shallow squats? I used to do 60deg squats with 270lbs, when i first switched to

85-90 deg squats i had to take 60lbs off the bar! Knees were much less sore with deeper squats, since my gluts/hams did the braking work, not my knees.

https://runningmagazine.ca/sections/training/olympic-1500m-champion-taoufik-makhloufi-doesnt-take-weightlifting-lightly/

you can easily quarter/half squat 70-75% more than your full squat

Kenneth Copeland, verified millionaire wrote:

you can easily quarter/half squat 70-75% more than your full squat

I would suggest even more, since that would mean Makdaddy could squat about 285 for the same # reps. Possible, but not likely for 145? pounder.

Also, if you try full squats after only ever doing quarters, your hamstring/glute junction will be so freaking sore the next 2 days you'll need handicap grab bars to get up from the toilet seat.

OTOH wrote:

Kenneth Copeland, verified millionaire wrote:

you can easily quarter/half squat 70-75% more than your full squat

I would suggest even more, since that would mean Makdaddy could squat about 285 for the same # reps. Possible, but not likely for 145? pounder.

Also, if you try full squats after only ever doing quarters, your hamstring/glute junction will be so freaking sore the next 2 days you'll need handicap grab bars to get up from the toilet seat.

4x285 is absolutely doable for a 145 pound guy. Don't get me wrong it's nothing to sneeze at for sure, but it wouldn't turn heads at your local gym - even for a man that skinny.

(BTW - Doing fulls and partials the same day would be a dumb idea. At minimum, do them alternate days).

This is not a squat, this is a "quarter" or "1/8" squat.

Recruits much less muscle mass than a real squat (and it doesn't even matter if it's a high-bar squat, low-bar squat, or front squat) and while there are some studies out there saying that quarter squats can be useful for athletes, they will never be able to replace the squat.

The reason this guy ran a fast marathon is not due to his strength training, but due to being extremely talented aerobically. He ran 13:50 and 28:36 long before his current weight regime (he mentioned 1.5 years ago he only quarter squatted 120 lbs, which he improved to 240 lbs now). He has always been very good, this is not an average Joe that starts doing some box jumps and quarter squats and suddenly becomes a top marathoner.