Call the CDC what they are: vaccine denialists

2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Every year each year, illnesses spike for this same very reason....not because people celebrated Thanksgiving.

Yes respiratory viruses usually have peak infection rates in July, December, AND March...

Are you going to claim Israel's and Jordan's spikes are purely seasonality too?

https://twitter.com/andrew_croxford/status/1389172672492232707

I understand that admitting behavior played a role in viral dynamics in the US undermines your entire model but... you need to engage with reality here.

Yes behavior had a role. Scaring everyone into their homes to not get out to a fresh environment is directly related to the massiveness of the seasonal spikes. Every big spike occurred during times when people where "locking down" and staying put. Yes, the behavior you encouraged killed people, certainly. I am glad we agree here.

2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Every year each year, illnesses spike for this same very reason....not because people celebrated Thanksgiving.

Yes respiratory viruses usually have peak infection rates in July, December, AND March...

Are you going to claim Israel's and Jordan's spikes are purely seasonality too?

https://twitter.com/andrew_croxford/status/1389172672492232707

I understand that admitting behavior played a role in viral dynamics in the US undermines your entire model but... you need to engage with reality here.

Jordan has a hot, dry climate characterized by long, hot, dry summers and short, cool winters. The climate is influenced by Jordan's location between the subtropical aridity of the Arabian desert areas and the subtropical humidity of the eastern Mediterranean area.

Israel has a Mediterranean climate with long, hot, rainless summers and relatively short, cool, rainy winters (Köppen climate classification Csa). ... Summers are very humid along the Mediterranean coast but dry in the central highlands, the Rift Valley, and the Negev Desert.

Many live along the coast in Israel dude; they are not the same place. I know you have discovered google maps, but your understanding of the globe seems very childish.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Jordan has a hot, dry climate characterized by long, hot, dry summers and short, cool winters. The climate is influenced by Jordan's location between the subtropical aridity of the Arabian desert areas and the subtropical humidity of the eastern Mediterranean area.

Israel has a Mediterranean climate with long, hot, rainless summers and relatively short, cool, rainy winters (Köppen climate classification Csa). ... Summers are very humid along the Mediterranean coast but dry in the central highlands, the Rift Valley, and the Negev Desert.

Many live along the coast in Israel dude; they are not the same place. I know you have discovered google maps, but your understanding of the globe seems very childish.

Israel average August temp: 86

Jordan average August temp: 88

Israel average Dec temp: 59

Jordan average Dec temp: 59

Totally incomparable.

big dead gorilla wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Jordan has a hot, dry climate characterized by long, hot, dry summers and short, cool winters. The climate is influenced by Jordan's location between the subtropical aridity of the Arabian desert areas and the subtropical humidity of the eastern Mediterranean area.

Israel has a Mediterranean climate with long, hot, rainless summers and relatively short, cool, rainy winters (Köppen climate classification Csa). ... Summers are very humid along the Mediterranean coast but dry in the central highlands, the Rift Valley, and the Negev Desert.

Many live along the coast in Israel dude; they are not the same place. I know you have discovered google maps, but your understanding of the globe seems very childish.

Israel average August temp: 86

Jordan average August temp: 88

Israel average Dec temp: 59

Jordan average Dec temp: 59

Totally incomparable.

humidity dictates a lot of behavior; is that not what we are talking about?

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Every big spike occurred during times when people where "locking down" and staying put. Yes, the behavior you encouraged killed people, certainly. I am glad we agree here.

Mobility is generally less correlated with COVID and excess deaths.

For example: South Dakota. Plenty of "open" states saw huge surges in the fall that precipitated more restrictions, e.g.

Uh have you ever been to Beirut?

Lead Foil Hat III wrote:

big dead gorilla wrote:

Israel average August temp: 86

Jordan average August temp: 88

Israel average Dec temp: 59

Jordan average Dec temp: 59

Totally incomparable.

humidity dictates a lot of behavior; is that not what we are talking about?

For the fall/winter when those indicated surges happened:

Average humidity Israel: 50%

Average humidity Jordan 40%

Crazy differences. I'm sure all those Jordanians decide to stay inside in November (but not October) and then go back outside in December, but back inside in January! Oh yeah, and they definitely go -inside- in Spring when the humidity is dropping. And the Israelis do the opposite. One a monthly basis. They call up their friends in Jordan and say "how's the weather, are you inside or outside?"

Yes, it's definitely humidity. You've solved it.

You are really splitting hairs here to save face but you already admitted that behavior plays a role, so you don't need to do this to yourself.

That's the problem with taking an extreme position (it's ALL seasonality). It only takes one counter example to destroy it.