End mask mandates to force people to protect themselves

stan the corgi wrote:

I had covid. I have antibodies. It was reported that people who have been vaccinated and not had covid were 8 times more likely to be infected by a variant than those who had covid and no vaccine. My body, my choice.

Who reported that crazy stat? MyPillow?

Old and slow wrote:

Or here is a thought: we could simply stop trying to "force" people to do anything and treat them like fricking ADULTS instead. How about that? There are no mask mandates in my state. I wear one when I must (when I'm teaching taekwondo). I am also vaccinated, because I chose to get it. I do not give the slightest thought to the vaccination status of others. Why the hell should I?

This guy gets it.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

The ironic tragedy of so many people subscribing to Donald Trump 's push for lack of control while having their definition of freedom controlled by Donald Trump.

Heartwrenching.

Sham 69 wrote:

What?

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Precisely.

ha ha ha. Well played. This thread, this forum, this country is full of morons who don't get that while screaming for freedoms, the dope they need to be going after is Trump. He has all of these weak-minded fools wrapped around his tiny fingers.

These vaccines are such a money grab scam. Pfizer was fined billions of dollars in the past for fraud and false advertising, yet somehow they can sell a covid vaccine and not be cancelled. Wake up sheep. Good God.

These vaccines are such a money grab scam. Pfizer was fined billions of dollars in the past for fraud and false advertising, yet somehow they can sell a covid vaccine and not be cancelled. Wake up sheep. Good God.

govLie wrote:

stan the corgi wrote:

I had covid. I have antibodies. It was reported that people who have been vaccinated and not had covid were 8 times more likely to be infected by a variant than those who had covid and no vaccine. My body, my choice.

Who reported that crazy stat? MyPillow?

Of course, it was reported, but Stan didn't share the source of the reporting, so we are all forced to take Stan's word for it. Works for me!

Vaccines are the only thing preventing a 4th and 5th wave and 100k's more deaths in the USA.

Math problem:

What's 80% herd immunity / 40% infected * 500k excess deaths.

Remember, the IFR has not changed at all since last year, so we'd expect the same # of deaths from another 40% infected.

Texas dropped mask mandates and is still lagging on vaccinations. GA has also let COVID restrictions expire and is near the bottom in the US for vaccinations. States that have retained COVID restrictions generally correlate with those that have the best records on vaccination. So, evidence would suggest the opposite of what the WSJ suggests.

At this point, there are probably 10-20% of the population that is completely dug in on being an anti-vaxxer. My sister in law is 100% anti-vaxxer even though she and her husband work in the restaurant industry. These folks are probably lost forever and it is not worth the time and effort to try to get these people back.

Getting to herd immunity is going to take more sticks than carrots. Employers, schools, mass indoor events, etc. need to step up and require vaccinations. Getting past COVID and back to normal will have profound effects on our economy. There probably hasn't been a more important national endeavor since WWII. The time for playing nice with anti-vaxxers and dufus libertarians needs to come to a close. It is time to grow up and get to the end of this pandemic.

Or you could leave

Total number of Covid vaccine breakthrough infections in the US per CDC: 9245

Total deaths: 132

Total number of Covid natural immunity reinfections globally per BNO News: 72

Deaths: 3

Covidiocy wrote:

Total number of Covid vaccine breakthrough infections in the US per CDC: 9245

Total deaths: 132

Total number of Covid natural immunity reinfections globally per BNO News: 72

Deaths: 3

95 million people in the USA are fully vaccinated -- and climbing. The CDC is keeping very close track of health outcomes of these people. It's a powerful dataset.

Do you have a denominator for your second statistic? Studies of reinfection are rare and, to my knowledge, most are found thru coincidence rather than exhaustive study.

Here's BNO's tracker of reinfections:

You can see most studies don't even look at deaths. Nothing compared to the exhaustiveness of the CDC's vaccine data.

Simply posting the numbers with no context suggests a lot of confirmation bias, dude.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

The ironic tragedy of so many people subscribing to Donald Trump 's push for lack of control while having their definition of freedom controlled by Donald Trump.

Heartwrenching.

This is the kind of A hole who wears a mask in the shower.

I hope your sister in law kicks you in your tiny balls. Keep your mask on S head.

Not a bad idea. It would accelerate the path to herd immunity. About half the states have already done this, with no significant increases in cases / deaths. Texas numbers didn't take off when they rolled back their restrictions:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/two-months-later-hows-the-lifting-of-the-mask-mandate-going-in-texas/

Here is a list of the states without mask mandates:

AK, AZ, UT, WY, MT, ID, ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, TX, IA, MO, AR, LA, WI, IN, TN, MS, AL, GA, SC, FL, NH

Would be interesting to do a weekly look at the per capita cases in deaths per week in the states with and without mandates to judge the necessity.

Downtown Willy Brown wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

The ironic tragedy of so many people subscribing to Donald Trump 's push for lack of control while having their definition of freedom controlled by Donald Trump.

Heartwrenching.

This is the kind of A hole who wears a mask in the shower.

And you are the kind of A hole who showers once a month.

Harambe wrote:

Covidiocy wrote:

Total number of Covid vaccine breakthrough infections in the US per CDC: 9245

Total deaths: 132

Total number of Covid natural immunity reinfections globally per BNO News: 72

Deaths: 3

95 million people in the USA are fully vaccinated -- and climbing. The CDC is keeping very close track of health outcomes of these people. It's a powerful dataset.

Do you have a denominator for your second statistic? Studies of reinfection are rare and, to my knowledge, most are found thru coincidence rather than exhaustive study.

Here's BNO's tracker of reinfections:

https://bnonews.com/index.php/reinfection-tracker-suspected-cases/

You can see most studies don't even look at deaths. Nothing compared to the exhaustiveness of the CDC's vaccine data.

Simply posting the numbers with no context suggests a lot of confirmation bias, dude.

What you posted is “suspected” reinfections. Still damning of the pro-vax narrative if even remotely true, which I *suspect* it is. I will grant you that it’s not exhaustive.

I’ve read the immunology on cell-mediated response & memory to the antigenicity of the spike protein. It is not as compelling of a story as whole virus response, & I wouldn’t expect it to be, your disingenuous comments about the Sinovac vaccine notwithstanding. No way I would trust anything coming out of China anyway. Would you?

+1

Covidiocy wrote:

What you posted is “suspected” reinfections. Still damning of the pro-vax narrative if even remotely true, which I *suspect* it is. I will grant you that it’s not exhaustive.

I’ve read the immunology on cell-mediated response & memory to the antigenicity of the spike protein. It is not as compelling of a story as whole virus response, & I wouldn’t expect it to be, your disingenuous comments about the Sinovac vaccine notwithstanding. No way I would trust anything coming out of China anyway. Would you?

Manufacturing doubt over "suspected" is a bit silly as you are free to read the study protocols for everything in the table. Most of them define it as two positive tests with several months between the.

Infection seems to result in lower antibody neutralization titers than vaccines and similar T-cell responses when compared with vaccines.

I am not one to think that COVID infection isn't protective against later exposures -- I'm sure it is.

I'm not a fan of the fearmongering over vaccine effectiveness. Let's cede all your points and say that the vaccine has allowed 132 Americans out of 95 million vaccinated to die of COVID.

There have been something on the order of ~150,000 vaccinated COVID deaths since vaccine rollout and significantly less than 95 million infections.

So.. yeah...

And yeah, the inactived virus vaccines generally seem to be inferior. Sorry that hurts your narrative?