Catch this before it gets taken down: a pathologist rips into covid response with actual science

He was calling COVID a hoax for months. Dr Lee research is a stretch to consider it scientific.

Jack2651 wrote:

He was calling COVID a hoax for months. Dr Lee research is a stretch to consider it scientific.

It's a fact-based YouTube video. Why do you hate science. lolol

The deniers love YouTube videos. Lowest information density known to man. An episode of Dora the Explorer could teach you more

You have never used one rational argument. You're nothing but ridicule, authority and church-lady moral bigotry.

Bad Wigins wrote:

You have never used one rational argument. You're nothing but ridicule, authority and church-lady moral bigotry.

What has caused you to jump back into COVID threads?

Masochism? You can pay people to help with that!

Precious Roy wrote:

Where did all the furniture go?

His wife took it all when she left him.

Liberal Heroes: Mohandas Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., the late John Lewis, Malala, James Earl Carter, etc.

Current Republican heroes: Marjorie Taylor Greene- out of committees

Matt Gaetz- DUI frat guy who can't control his penis

Jim Jordan - Ducking the "contact" allegations against hin

Duncan Hunter -- three tour vet, which we as Americans are grateful for, but a crooked politician.

Rand Paul -- had covid and wants to make people get covid..because as a skilled...um ophthalmologist (what?) He'd know virology.

Lol

Abbott, Kemp, Lee, DeSantis....governors who want even their mayors forced to put their cities at risk.

The liberal heroes listen. They care. They fight. They change lives.

The Republican heroes want risk and exposure. They fight. They don't care. They oad their pocketbooks.

This poor liberal who considers the last two years of income (18k in 2019; 22k in 2020) as banner years would rather die eventually as a homeless waste than to pander to a Republican party that uses people as a tangentially transactional vehicle to a blood money nest egg of their own.

Covid schmovid right? Eh, sure, but what's the DJIA???

I grew up beaten and disdained for my differences.

I'm not giving the Republican party a chance to have that power in my vote.

I can't ever see people more heroic at this point than the liberals.

My Academic Bowl advisor WAS right. She knew the liberalizing ideals of life would switch me.

It took 23 years and a Donald.

But I'm liberal and I'm proud.

Bad Wigins wrote:

You have never used one rational argument. You're nothing but ridicule, authority and church-lady moral bigotry.

No no. It's only when arguing with you do I use those tactics because 4 factor arithmetic is above you. (See: 2600)

Yes. CDC planning scenarios (last update 3/19/2021)https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html According to CDC, COVID R0 range 2 to 4, best estimate 2.5. Anderson and May, Directly transmitted infectious diseases: control by vaccinationhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7063839/ There is no "the" R0. Urban settings tend to have higher R0 than rural. Ridenhour et al, Unraveling R0... Am J Public Health. 2014 Feb;104(2):e32-41. doi: 10.2105/AJPH.2013.301704.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24328646/ See figure 3 on page e35. At R0 of 2, the attack rate is about 80%. I don't have a precise definition. Roughly, it is the fraction of the population that gets infected within the initial wave. I ran the model from 0.1% infected to peak and back down to 1% infected and found about 80% cumulative cases. That was through about 13.5 infectious periods -- I used infectious period 5 days, immunity duration much longer. Worldometer China case and mortality counts.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Tests 160MM Cases 90,721 Deaths 4,636 If you think COVID is contagious along the lines of the CDC planning scenarios, and you believe anything along the standard line of contagious disease spread according to the SIR model (and its variants that include exposure, latency, waning resistance, etc.), then you believe COVID went around through a substantial part of the population (80%+). After a locality experiences its major wave, that's it. If you do not believe COVID has gone around the entire BOS-WASH corridor (for example), then you must also believe the COVID is not especially contagious -- way less than CDC estimates -- or you reject the basic epidemiology model that has proved so successful in predicting periodicity of epidemics for certain diseases and planning vaccination schedules for childhood diseases There is something funny about China. Maybe the people are innately not susceptible to COVID, but the ones who get it are hosed at more than 4% rate. Also, unlike most other Chinese technology, the China COVID testing is super awesome, with less than a 0.1% false positive rate.

trashcan wrote:

Online videos are a terrible way to get a handle on the science of Covid. Do you have a reference to papers?

^viruses take time to replicate

Waves don't spread instantly like lightening from the Ark.

We stopped the first wave in the middle of it's rise.

There is no conflict between putative R_0 and the shape of the US waves.

This is the exact problem wrote:

popSquadMan wrote:

Whats the difference between "papers" and YouTube video? It's all the same trash trashcan

Are you kidding? You honestly believe that a paper accepted and published in a peer reviewed scientific journal is no different than a random guy making a YouTube video? I hope you are trolling and not this truly ignorant. It's this exact level of stupidity that has lead to the proliferation of conspiracy theories and their tragic believers. Too stupid to ever realize how stupid they are.

You guys always focus on attacking the messenger who makes points you don't want to consider and never discuss the message.

Always.

1) False positive rate actually looks to be 0.1% or less—-see Australia New Zealand and Singapore

2) mitigation efforts may have altered the math. Certainly once a rough vaccine timeline was known, that was the point—slow down the spread until we can get the vaccine.(as well as not overwhelming hospitals)

3) If your argument is that at this point the vaccines may “only” save 120,000 United States citizens my response is “you may be right.”

The Unkle wrote:

This is the exact problem wrote:

Are you kidding? You honestly believe that a paper accepted and published in a peer reviewed scientific journal is no different than a random guy making a YouTube video? I hope you are trolling and not this truly ignorant. It's this exact level of stupidity that has lead to the proliferation of conspiracy theories and their tragic believers. Too stupid to ever realize how stupid they are.

You guys always focus on attacking the messenger who makes points you don't want to consider and never discuss the message.

Always.

Don't worry, it'll all be over by April.

2600 bro wrote:

trashcan wrote:

That is a fair point. Honestly, I got on this site looking for info on different trail running shoes I think, but saw the disinformationthat proliferates here and felt obliged to provide a standard reading of the data.

The community got about 4X noisier and more useless after Trump and COVID. It's a shame.

Ironic Post Of The Day!

I stopped after you tried to include MLK and Mother Theresa as liberals. Poor try.

You are unhinged. You need help.

Nonsense. The scientific community is composed of millions of scientists all over the world, but especially in the United States, Japan, South Korea, China, India, and Europe. No authority is pulling the strings and forcing thousands of scientists to come up with the same results. No authority is insuring that medical examiners all over the world recognize a massive increase in deaths as a result of COVID. The playbook of finding some scientist somewhere in the world who is a covid denier or vaccine skeptic is tired and overused. I'll take the many over the one in such cases, because the numbers are undeniable. 3.2 million plus COVID deaths.

Not going to pore through everything in this thread, but I've always loved the phenomenon of

- thousands and thousands upon thousands of doctors and scientists say one thing

- one guy says differently and "you have to believe him because he's a doctor"

Ya, I know, he's a brave iconoclast who has the courage to stand up to the ignorant sheep and he's not just one, there's this other one, and this one, and many more but they're afraid to say anything. I get it.

I just think it's funny.

and that man is a doctor wrote:

Not going to pore through everything in this thread, but I've always loved the phenomenon of

- thousands and thousands upon thousands of doctors and scientists say one thing

- one guy says differently and "you have to believe him because he's a doctor"

Ya, I know, he's a brave iconoclast who has the courage to stand up to the ignorant sheep and he's not just one, there's this other one, and this one, and many more but they're afraid to say anything. I get it.

I just think it's funny.

Uh huh. He obviously doesn't have the necessary saviour mentality his medical position requires. What a quack.

trashcan wrote:

A person familiar with scientific papers can get to the meat quickly and also easily trace sources and methods. Also I can read a lot faster than people talk.

With videos you have to sit through (usually) close to an hour of at best mostly useless stuff to see if there is anything of merit. There usually isn’t, and as a result a lot of my time has been wasted.

Moreover, If a person wanted to present information for serious scientific debate, they would present it in the form of a paper, as that is the medium of the scientific community.

Please do as you say and stop wasting everyone's time with your drivel.

popSquadMan wrote:

Whats the difference between "papers" and YouTube video? It's all the same trash trashcan

Educate yourself on the difference.