Yes or No: COVID mandates and restrictions were the biggest overreaction in history

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

I have posted many many articles detailing the prevalence of COVID, hospitalization, severe outcomes, “long COVID” and other outcomes. I’ve also posted data from both mRNA trials detailing those same outcomes from the vaccine. You’re welcome to go read it all for the 500th time. You just ignore the actual data and fearmonger and ask “but what if!!!”

Dude, sure you posted those things, but those things DO NOT prove what you are saying. It is just a dishonest trick of posting something to make it seem like you are correct when in reality you are just lying or exaggerating or shilling your opinion as fact. Sorry Bro, you have not done what you claim.

Of course not! Proving things with observational studies is very difficult. It’s not about proof :) but you know that - you just enjoy being able to claim “no proof” and move on. I’ve given significantly more evidence for my proposals than you. I’m content.

2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Dude, sure you posted those things, but those things DO NOT prove what you are saying. It is just a dishonest trick of posting something to make it seem like you are correct when in reality you are just lying or exaggerating or shilling your opinion as fact. Sorry Bro, you have not done what you claim.

Of course not! Proving things with observational studies is very difficult. It’s not about proof :) but you know that - you just enjoy being able to claim “no proof” and move on. I’ve given significantly more evidence for my proposals than you. I’m content.

If anyone ever present real data to support their opinion you dismiss the authors as frauds, then you post some obtusely related data and claim victory. Admit it, you are a scientific fraud and a joke and you should not be considered credible. Wait, you are not credible. Sorry there.

Lead Foil Hat III wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Of course not! Proving things with observational studies is very difficult. It’s not about proof :) but you know that - you just enjoy being able to claim “no proof” and move on. I’ve given significantly more evidence for my proposals than you. I’m content.

If anyone ever present real data to support their opinion you dismiss the authors as frauds, then you post some obtusely related data and claim victory. Admit it, you are a scientific fraud and a joke and you should not be considered credible. Wait, you are not credible. Sorry there.

Lmao! I can’t even argue with you... no one has ever presented real data aside from 1) misrepresenting VAERS data and 2) miscalculating excess death stats. Not exactly biased of me to “dismiss” those :)

I remember when 4 people spent a few days doing various excess calculations for you since you kept saying the numbers were “totally false.”

We’ve been generous to the intellectually lazy here on LRC, spoon feeding them data, but we cannot make them go find data to support their claims! At some point you have to actually contribute... not just whine!

Sweden is so smart! They didnt “overreact!” Right?

https://twitter.com/alecstapp/status/1391580015981117441?s=21

First hand experience when I potentially had COVID starting in Nov 2019. I noticed by January that if I slept with my bedroom window cracked open I no longer woke up with urticaria in my nostrils. I was still, however, still waking up sick. On mornings when urticaria flared during my sleep, they would subside after a 15-30 minute shower.

So i can see the benefits of masks preventing people from passing that to one another while indoors. But if you wore the mask while you had it and experienced similar symptoms to me that might do more harm than good.

No.

Had we let the virus run rampant - then all healthcare services would be overrun with otherwise healthy people, Due to the inability to treat all of these people, a great many healthy people with survivable C-19 would have died.

Do you need a diagram or perhaps a more elementary lesson in the basics of supply and demand?

2600 bro wrote:

Sweden is so smart! They didnt “overreact!” Right?

https://twitter.com/alecstapp/status/1391580015981117441?s=21

Zzzzz.....one of the most sparsely populated countries on the planet. Also, they may not have locked down hard - but they did exercise high levels of common sense and utlised masks, social distancing and high-end track and trace. Also, more people live in NY than live in Sweden. So stop comparing apples and pears.

People earlier in the thread said Australia and New Zealand overreacted but this is what they've got now:

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/more-than-50000-attend-concert-in-new-zealand-after-country-ends-pandemic/

2600 bro wrote:

Sweden is so smart! They didnt “overreact!” Right?

https://twitter.com/alecstapp/status/1391580015981117441?s=21

That makes sense.

Economies that shut down did better than one that did not.

If you are healthy and nobody you know was greatly affected by the virus: Yes

If you were sick, or had someone you know become ill or worse: No

Lately, a lot of non believers were “converted” after getting knocked for a loop by Covid.

Yusef Scummm wrote:

If you are healthy and nobody you know was greatly affected by the virus: Yes

If you were sick, or had someone you know become ill or worse: No

Lately, a lot of non believers were “converted” after getting knocked for a loop by Covid.

It's a classic feature of low-empathy/emotional-intelligence when people cannot generalize outside of their personal experiences.

"I have not gotten sick, therefore the virus is no big deal" is remarkably persuasive to a lot of people, unfortunately.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

I have posted many many articles detailing the prevalence of COVID, hospitalization, severe outcomes, “long COVID” and other outcomes. I’ve also posted data from both mRNA trials detailing those same outcomes from the vaccine. You’re welcome to go read it all for the 500th time. You just ignore the actual data and fearmonger and ask “but what if!!!”

Dude, sure you posted those things, but those things DO NOT prove what you are saying. It is just a dishonest trick of posting something to make it seem like you are correct when in reality you are just lying or exaggerating or shilling your opinion as fact. Sorry Bro, you have not done what you claim.

Wow, hospitalization in ~0.4% of cases.

I didn't realize going to the hospital was "no risk."

Good to know!

I've been ceding the fact that COVID is 'no risk' to children to you.

I agree it's -low risk- and low enough that schools should be open, but I'm bored so will now call you on this.

But there is definitely known risk there. This seems to support the vaccine for which you can only hypothesize a wild assumption of unproven risk.

The only data you have posted is articles arguing for possible clotting issues -- which we are surveilling for and see no evidence of (with the mRNA vaccine).

Again, nobody has 'proof' but one side sure seems to have a lot more evidence.