The choice not to get vaccinated is non "anti-science," instead, it's pro-ethics

Science is not the systemic use of logic to find new knowledge. Logic tells you nothing about the world on its own. Not taking a vaccine with the enormous proof of success vaccines have is anti-science. These vaccines reduce hospitalizations by 94%. So far 88 people out of 101 million fully vaccinated have died from COVID.

This should be common sense but as a society we should never want to go the “pure science” route. Science should always be put on a leash by ethics and morals.

Think about the implications would be if we just lived as a purely scientific society.

You do know Robin hood stole from the government to give to the public. The whole steal from the rich give to the poor narrative is made up by socialists. It's really a story about fighting back against a corrupt government.

Paradigms can shift any time given generational, socio-economic or sociological changes.

What Robin Hood symbolized then, according to you, has shifted because the overall manifestation of altruism in the current era has also shifted.

For that reason, I stick with my example.

Just because you say it ..doesn’t make it true. Your twisted thoughts on this are full of holes, first of all ..masks and those mask mandates don’t work. Your argument is full of assumptions without a single record or anything close to a receipt of the efficacy.

I have spent my entire life working my asz off to finally achieve near-ideal metabolic health, which is the best defense against viral infections, and I am not going to risk all this by getting injected with crap that has not even passed human trials, for a bug with a 99.99% survival rate.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Paradigms can shift any time given generational, socio-economic or sociological changes.

What Robin Hood symbolized then, according to you, has shifted because the overall manifestation of altruism in the current era has also shifted.

For that reason, I stick with my example.

No you are just repeating made up a new theme for Robin Hood because you are poorly educated and you want to rewrite facts to support your views. What the theme of a story was or a historical event was does not change over time. It meant what it meant.

Science tells us two things:

-that young, healthy people have a very high survival rate for covid-19.

-that all medical interventions, including vaccines, have risks

Science does NOT tell us:

-that individuals have a moral responsibility to get vaccinated if they don’t want to.

the OP2 wrote:

Science tells us two things:

-that young, healthy people have a very high survival rate for covid-19.

-that all medical interventions, including vaccines, have risks

Science does NOT tell us:

-that individuals have a moral responsibility to get vaccinated if they don’t want to.

You only have a moral responsibility to get vaccinated if you're smart enough to understand that it is morally correct. If you aren't smart enough to understand that, which looks to be the case, then I can't fault you for something that you don't understand.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

And Mike is my real name.

Robert has my info.

I'm still not backing down.

Hello Mike,

You've exposed more than enough of yourself to be identifiable as an obsessive authoritarian and neurotic hypochondriac.

You are easily one of the most combative and persistent "pro-covid", "pro-vax" posters on LR.

LR can be, at times, a "safe space" for those who have no outlet or voice, clearly you find posting here both empowering and validating.

Good luck and carry on,

~a

alpha wrote:

"pro-covid"

Is he rooting for it to kill people?

Depending on how passages are explicated and interpreted can always change the overall meaning. And certainly I can take the relevant passages that I see fit to make my argument. Otherwise, Machiavellian ideals can only be used when describing either the ideals of Mr. Buonarroti himself or even the DiMedici family. No tyrannical government could ever be evaluated through the delegitimizing rhetoric of Plato. No guidelines could ever be considered Hammurabian or Draconian because we aren't the exact framework of the lives of Hammurabi or Draco. And even the Bible can't be used because unless the parable fits the exact scenario or the psalm fits the exact advice for the exact situation, there cannot be a parallel in the modern day to use that exact parable or psalm. Sometimes, to be honest, i think your whackadoo gaggle of running has beens, who have chosen to pick on older people because you had a crap running experience after college, changes the game midway through so that you can experience winning at something since it's not racing. I guess everyone needs an angle.

Disney film Scholar wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Paradigms can shift any time given generational, socio-economic or sociological changes.

What Robin Hood symbolized then, according to you, has shifted because the overall manifestation of altruism in the current era has also shifted.

For that reason, I stick with my example.

No you are just repeating made up a new theme for Robin Hood because you are poorly educated and you want to rewrite facts to support your views. What the theme of a story was or a historical event was does not change over time. It meant what it meant.

fat at 27 wrote:

alpha wrote:

"pro-covid"

Is he rooting for it to kill people?

For the most part, yes. SS is a pro-covid troll with too much free time. Sans covid, what would this poor soul do with himself?

For SS this isn't about "science", it's an obsessive personalized political pathology.

I'm glad you think you can speak for me since you know me so well...

I'll speak for myself, thanks:

My name is Mike and in addition to being a runner and walker, I enjoy walking my cat, writing, music and various sports.

If there was no pandemic, I'd be yelling vehemently at letsrun posters for being racist, sexist, and vile.

I 've not switched my approach to people here for the duration of my 7 years posting here, and I've never cared if they like it.

Unlike trolls, I actually own that which I say and defend my points or when I am attacked.

However, having studied science fairly in-depth, Societal Covid Safety is my priority or I would not make it a priority at work or in public, which I do.

And Alpha, you may disagree but when you start speaking for the person whom you think I am without knowing? That's where I draw the line. Between you and me, this is the last time you ascribe my motives? We clear? You'd better be.

back in the 80s the bubblemen were a musical group that opened for love and rockets.

they danced around in bumble bee suits.

Spoken like a true neurotic troll. I'm simply speaking for that which you wear on your sleeve.

Between you and me, I'll continue to ascribe your motives as I find relevant.

You clear? You'd better be!

mrpotatopeni wrote:

back in the 80s the bubblemen were a musical group that opened for love and rockets.

they danced around in bumble bee suits.

i looked it up on you tube. not bad.

A team from Tel Aviv University and Clalit Health Services found that the prevalence of the South Africa variant among patients who received both doses of the vaccine was around eight times higher than those unvaccinated – 5.4% versus 0.7%.