Why is the US XX female 1500m runner who does not identify as being female allowed to run in races with females?
You can’t have it both ways. If men who identify as female want to race women, women who don’t identify as being female should not be racing women.
The better question is, why is race not a social construct but gender is?
Race absolutely is a social construct!
i want to hniw wrote:
Why is the US XX female 1500m runner who does not identify as being female allowed to run in races with females?
You can’t have it both ways. If men who identify as female want to race women, women who don’t identify as being female should not be racing women.
The better question is, why is race not a social construct but gender is?
Race absolutely is a social construct!
Simple answer: she shouldn't.
Also, race is not a social construct. Are you going to tell me there are no discernable physical differences between a black and an Asian person?
GD wrote:
I'm not going to watch the Ted talk to answer your question. What internal sex organs does this person have? Do they have ovarian tissue? Testes?
You just proved that gender is a social construction.
A person who was identified as a female at birth, and has been treated as a female her whole life is a "man" according to you, because she has internal testes. (She is also 100% eligible to compete as a woman in any sport.)
So either her "gender" has no relation to her "sex" or you just have your own personal definition that is inconsistent with the rest of the world.
China Joe wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
You say you agree with FP's post but you seem to have misread it. No group of radicals is pushing for allowing transgender athletes to compete. The policies regarding transgender athletes have already been resolved at every level of sports and it's only an issue on the right.
I will agree with this. What was once an ideology that was relegated in the depths of radical, postmodernist gender studies departments has now gone mainstream. The idea that all gender differences are a result of socially constructed norms, therefor identifying as a man or a woman makes you a member of that group, was once a fairytale belief but is now reflected in our federal laws. The science says otherwise. I don't know why you simultaneously deny that anyone is arguing that transgenders are or ought compete with those of the opposite sex (specifically transgender women in biological womens' sports) but at the same time argue that it is transphobic not to let them compete as they wish - I am guessing you don't have a real argument as to why transgender women should be able to compete, but you have a need to argue it anyways so you just call anyone who disagrees with the idea a transphobe while downplaying their arguments.
To add more to the conversation, gender identity is not socially constructed. Certain elements of gender expression are - such as the clothes certain genders are "supposed" to wear - but gender identity and gender differences in personality are not. Your gender identity - which gender you innately feel you are - is a result of your neurodevelopment. Normally, ones biological sex and gender identity are supposed to be aligned, but developmental defects caused by hormones cause the two to be different which results in gender dysphoria. So to the gender theorists who claim that people can "decide" their gender are wrong. If this were true, there would be no transgenders because nobody would want to feel like they were born in the wrong body.
Who is saying it's transphobic to believe transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete against women? Countless people have stated their opposition without being canceled. There is absolutely nothing wrong with claiming transgender females could have an unfair advantage. Did Vickie Huber lose her HS coaching gig for sharing her opinion on the issue?
BuckleUp wrote:
Tell that to Melissa Bishop (and fans of XX women competing fairly).
You have probably cheered XY women athletes without knowing their chromosome.
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
BuckleUp wrote:
Tell that to Melissa Bishop (and fans of XX women competing fairly).
You have probably cheered XY women athletes without knowing their chromosome.
Could be. Many of us have cheered cheating athletes too without knowing they were cheating.
China Joe wrote:
i want to hniw wrote:
Why is the US XX female 1500m runner who does not identify as being female allowed to run in races with females?
You can’t have it both ways. If men who identify as female want to race women, women who don’t identify as being female should not be racing women.
The better question is, why is race not a social construct but gender is?
Race absolutely is a social construct!
Simple answer: she shouldn't.
Also, race is not a social construct. Are you going to tell me there are no discernable physical differences between a black and an Asian person?
Why are people with 50% Euro genetics and 50% African called black if it's all genetics?
The Unkle wrote:
China Joe wrote:
Simple answer: she shouldn't.
Also, race is not a social construct. Are you going to tell me there are no discernable physical differences between a black and an Asian person?
Why are people with 50% Euro genetics and 50% African called black if it's all genetics?
Because people are stupid. They should be called mixed-race and many of them do refer to themselves as mixed, except Barack Obama who refers to himself as black for obvious political reasons.
Ben Blankenship has identified as a 52-year old for years now.
Humans are humans, some have different hair color, etc. however they share the same DNA.
Race is absolutely a social construct. Where do you draw the line with Asians, that share the same continent with Europeans?
What about “black” race all Africa, including Egyptian?
What about American “blacks”? What race are they? they all have European DNA. Some have Native American dna too.
How far back does “mixed race” go? How many generations?
Race is a social construct.
Sex/gender is not!
If gender is a social construct, then why do some 3-year olds (who haven't been introduced into society) identify as the opposite sex?
Do you have children? A boy and a girl are so different, even in the womb. Talk to a mother who has had a boy and a girl. Ask her how different they were from the very first day.
Exceptionality does not make the rule. Yes .05 of kids identify with the other gender. It doesn’t change the reality of the very differences between the sexes beyond their DNA.
Men and women are different in every single cell of their body. Their brains are different. They develop physically and intellectually at different rates. The differences are real and are biological.
99.9 percent of boys become men, even gay dudes still identify as men
Same as girls. You couldn’t make them behave like a boy if you coached them. They prefer different things and act differently.
Go to any daycare around the world. See boys acting like boys and girls acting like girls.
i want to hniw wrote:
Do you have children? A boy and a girl are so different, even in the womb. Talk to a mother who has had a boy and a girl. Ask her how different they were from the very first day.
Exceptionality does not make the rule. Yes .05 of kids identify with the other gender. It doesn’t change the reality of the very differences between the sexes beyond their DNA.
Men and women are different in every single cell of their body. Their brains are different. They develop physically and intellectually at different rates. The differences are real and are biological.
99.9 percent of boys become men, even gay dudes still identify as men
Same as girls. You couldn’t make them behave like a boy if you coached them. They prefer different things and act differently.
Go to any daycare around the world. See boys acting like boys and girls acting like girls.
You have made a perfect case for the transgender kids to live in the gender they identify with. You cannot coach a trans girl to behave like a boy, right?
i want to hniw wrote:
Why is the US XX female 1500m runner who does not identify as being female allowed to run in races with females?
You can’t have it both ways. If men who identify as female want to race women, women who don’t identify as being female should not be racing women.
The better question is, why is race not a social construct but gender is?
Race absolutely is a social construct!
Nikki Hiltz is gender fluid, and identifies as female on any race day. They (a singular pronoun for a gender fluid person) sometimes feels like male when there is no race.
I want to be awoken wrote:
Genuinely not trying to stir the pot or anything here, but I'm interested to know from posters here more woke than I am - why can a 30 year old biological male identify as a 30 year old female, but not as a 14 year old male or female?
Why is gender a construct, but age isn't? Am I missing something obvious?
Someone needs to learn the difference between gender and sex.
https://imgur.com/gallery/DNeJ7/thread
No I said exactly the opposite. Something that affects .0005 percent of the population doesn’t change what happens to 99.9005 of the population.
If 99.999 percent of eagles can fly and .001 percent of eagles can’t fly, then we determine that eagles can fly.
You are trying to argue for the .001 percent , and applying what is true for them to the 99.99 percent.
If you want trans rights, then fight for them to be identified as trans. They are trans. Not male nor female but trans. That’s your real fight.