Lyme disease or Covid. Which would you rather contract?

zxcvzxcv wrote:

570,000 dead in one year due to COVID in one country.

Between 1999 and 2003, 114 deaths due to Lyme Disease were recorded.

So you must think Derek Chauvin was innocent, since George Floyd clearly died of COVID.

brain owner wrote:

Harambe wrote:

I give free brain exams to all denier-fearmongers.

What is your job title?

Dude he's a dead gorilla. You aren't making a lot sense. Might want to take that brain you own in for a checkup.

brain owner wrote:

Harambe wrote:

I give free brain exams to all denier-fearmongers.

What is your job title?

Gorilla brain-examiner

Not to be confused with gorilla-brain examiner

brain owner wrote:

Harambe wrote:

I am but a gorilla who still understands biology better than all the fearmonger-deniers on this site.

Ouch, baby

Yeah, that's another trait of yours; posting in riddles.

What is your job title? What is your role in the medical profession?

My guess is he's a pharma shill paid to pollute the discussion forums with Big Pharma's agenda of pushing these experimental vaccines on the American public (these shills are all over the Covid discussion forums). What other dweeb would be responding to and antagonizing posters 24/7 for being skeptical of these vaccines. On another thread, he claims to be a "Libertarian." WTH? LMAO on that one! 😂. He's got all the characteristics of a Leftist. Lol.

Here's my take wrote:

My guess is he's a pharma shill paid to pollute the discussion forums with Big Pharma's agenda of pushing these experimental vaccines on the American public (these shills are all over the Covid discussion forums). What other dweeb would be responding to and antagonizing posters 24/7 for being skeptical of these vaccines. On another thread, he claims to be a "Libertarian." WTH? LMAO on that one! 😂. He's got all the characteristics of a Leftist. Lol.

Vaccines pass phase 3 trials and are finally getting us out of the COVID mess.

Denier-fearmongers: "Anyone who wants out of COVID must be a shill for Big Pharma!!! I love COVID I hope it never goes away. Also I don't care about 500k dead Americans. Also I'm dumb."

Literally the position you are staking out... congrats?

And yes, I am far more libertarian than you. Nothing is more libertarian than arrogantly lecturing people online using Facts and Reason. Sorry bro

Bro it is not my fault you have no idea how vaccines have worked since the beginning of time. I’ll start with the basics.

“Getting sick” as one would call it, is not something that a virus does to you, it’s actually what your body does to itself. When the body detects a virus it triggers an immune response as white blood cells fight to kill it. If the virus survives and replicates long enough to become established in the body, the body ups the immune response to more drastic measures. It raises the temperature of the body to a degree that cells cannot survive in, thus causing a fever. Our bodies immune response is what causes every symptom of a viral infection - coughing, fever headache, chills, vomit etc.

When we “win” against the virus, it’s because our white blood cells have figured out how to kill the virus efficiently. I’m not going to go into this mechanism because I can’t remember it well, but I know it has to do with figuring out and developing antibodies specific to defeating said virus. Some peoples bodies can figure out how to kill it very fast and very effectively, therefore never going into the bodies drastic immune response that involves coughing and fever.

When your immune system learns to kill a virus, it remembers how to do it, and and subsequent infections or viral particles are killed immediately, therefore never causing an immune response. In the 40,000 person trial, apparently 5 percent of people did not create the memorized defense mechanism that is immunity. But 100% got Covid, as in they were exposed to Covid and they had the virus in their bodies. Idk what quote you are using to say that someone “changed the narrative” lol, but it was probably someone trying to clear up that, actually yes 100 percent of vaccinated people will “get Covid” if exposed to Covid, but they won’t “get Covid” in the sense that we know it, which means “body goes into immune defense and makes us feel terrible”. So yes you will get Covid, but you won’t get a dangerous symptomatic immune response.

Harambe wrote:

brain owner wrote:

What is your job title?

Gorilla brain-examiner

Not to be confused with gorilla-brain examiner

Once again posting gibberish to avoid answering the question.

Again, what is your job title?

Right. The vaccine for polio does not mean we don't get polio. WE just don't get a dangerous symptomatic immune response. This is how vaccines always have worked.

Tens of millions of Americans were infected and have natural immunity which is getting us out of the COVID mess. The COVID vaccines are experimental with no long-term safety data (3-5 yrs).

COVID-fearmongers/Big Pharma vaccine pushers/Leftist anti-informed consent: "This COVID virus is the apocalyptic end-of-world pandemic and everyone must get vaccinated!!! The vaccines are experimental with no long-term safety data but whose gives a fvck - you people have no informed consent nor choice but to take the vaccine or you're dumb! If you don't take the vaccine tens of millions will die and it'll be on your hands. I'm a Leftist and your medical decisions are under our control." FTFY

What's with the "bro?" What are you a thirtysomething going on eighteen? Lol. I would expect better from someone who claims to be so pretentious - how immature you are.

☝️You're not a Libertarian - total BS and a joke. The Libertarian nominee for the election was Jo Jorgensen - let's see what she has to say on vaccines:

"Jorgensen last night volunteered the latter as an example of the type of "personal decision" best left to individuals, rather than determined via the political process. So I asked her whether, philosophically, she considered it wise for public schools to require children be vaccinated as a condition for enrollment."

"I think it is immoral," she responded. Then, after noting that she personally has chosen to vaccinate her family, Jorgensen contrasted vaccination policy with the types of prohibitions Libertarians have long opposed—on drugs, gambling, vaping, consensual sex transactions, and so on."

"All of these are laws that the government is telling you what not to do," she said. "Vaccinations, on the other hand—we're talking about somebody forcibly putting a substance into your body. I am just shocked that that's even a question in our country that is supposed to be free. And even though I have chosen vaccinations, and I've chosen vaccinations for my children, I would never use the excuse of herd immunity to force other people to put something into their bodies that they don't want to."

If you were anything close to subscribing to Libertarian ideology, you wouldn't be such a jerk antagonizing & insulting people who are vaccine hesitant or outright refusing the vaccines. But of course, as a Leftist & pharma shill you're paid to pollute discussion forums with your agenda - so it comes with the territory. Lol.

Que Sera Sera

Don't treat Covid and odds are heavily in your favor that you will be just fine.

Don't treat lyme disease and you are screwed.

Plus I have actually personally known several people who have gotten lyme disease vs. one who have gotten covid. Real life experience matters to me

Rofl. So many comically ignorant points.

1) I have been told we are at "natural immunity" at the end of the first, second and third waves. No doubt the USA's terrible pandemic response has not contributed to population immunity, but at best ~35% of America has seen the virus. That is not enough to stop it. Vaccines are highly effective, far less dangerous than COVID, and are essential to get us out of the pandemic without another 500k deaths.

2) You seem convinced that I am big on mandatory vaccines. I do not think vaccines should be mandatory for most things. I am fine if countries want international visitors to have them, etc. I think certain businesses will try to mandate vaccines to enter as well -- i.e. retirement home visitors.

There is nothing wrong with telling vaccine fearmongers I think they are dumb. That is not the same as forcing them to get the vaccine! There is no rule that others cannot criticize you for dumb decisions even if you are wholly within your rights to make them!

3) Long-term safety fearmongering is silly. You know what people have been struggling with the long term safety of? COVID! Yet you seem wholly unconcerned by this risk. This tells me you are bad at math or being willfully ignorant to maintain your righteous contrarian position. The mRNA vaccines (and even the J&J) has a sterling safety record with no signs of toxicity. Remember, the mRNA inside the vaccines is ALSO inside the virus ;).

Again, just because you have the right to make a terrible choice that prolongs the pandemic and puts you and your contacts at risk, doesn't mean others cannot criticize your for this! Welcome to America.

P.S. Jo Jorgenson isn't a REAL libertarian ;)

brain owner wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Gorilla brain-examiner

Not to be confused with gorilla-brain examiner

Once again posting gibberish to avoid answering the question.

Again, what is your job title?

Bro, I just told you. Find me at the zoo. Bring peanuts.

Harambe wrote:

brain owner wrote:

Once again posting gibberish to avoid answering the question.

Again, what is your job title?

Bro, I just told you. Find me at the zoo. Bring peanuts.

What is your job title? What are your medical qualifications? Where do you work?

You remind me of someone who posts here and pretends to have medical knowledge and dupes people with fantastic claims. He is quite well known and I'm going to name him at some point.

brain owner wrote:

What is your job title? What are your medical qualifications? Where do you work?

You remind me of someone who posts here and pretends to have medical knowledge and dupes people with fantastic claims. He is quite well known and I'm going to name him at some point.

Fantastic claims such as published phase 3 trials and peer-reviewed science?

Unsourced claims are clearly the territory of the denier-fearmongers.

Even a gorilla like me knows how to use sci-hub ;)

[quote]Harambe wrote:

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1) I have been told we are at "natural immunity" at the end of the first, second and third waves. No doubt the USA's terrible pandemic response has not contributed to population immunity, but at best ~35% of America has seen the virus.

The official numbers are 32.2 million cases in America and a population of 331 million. Two points here. (a) That's just shy of 10% so Harambe's 35% is 250% too high. (b) Does anyone really believe that as many as 10% of Americans have had Covid based on your own personal experience? My experience points to maybe 1%

holly within your rights to make them!

3) Long-term safety fearmongering is silly. You know what people have been struggling with the long term safety of? COVID! Yet you seem wholly unconcerned by this risk.

Well seeing as how our own lives in no way conform to the fear porn that has been shoved at us 24/7 for 15 months, only a fool believes the official narrative. While I personally know only one person made sick by Covid in 14 months, I know several people made sick by the vaccine in the few months it has been in play. When the media as one tells me that the virus is surging, soaring, raging, spiking, lurking, stalking, etc. and talks of clusters and epicenters and super-spreaders, and not even a typhoon of covid cases, I know it is bull hockey.

Remember all data so far (~1-1.5 years) for both virus and vaccine shows the virus has a many orders of magnitude (100X+) higher risk of long term symptoms/adverse effects.

Where's that "impending doom" the CDC director warned us about a few short weeks ago ?

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/04/26/pentagon-tracking-14-cases-of-heart-inflammation-troops-after-covid-19-shots.html

brain owner wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Bro, I just told you. Find me at the zoo. Bring peanuts.

What is your job title? What are your medical qualifications? Where do you work?

You remind me of someone who posts here and pretends to have medical knowledge and dupes people with fantastic claims. He is quite well known and I'm going to name him at some point.

Bro it’s LRC - not a congressional hearing. Get over yourself. Anyone can present evidence, even gorillas, it’s up to individuals to analyze and draw conclusions from such evidence. Not everyone wants to be spoon-fed talking points from the media.

brain owner wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Fantastic claims such as published phase 3 trials and peer-reviewed science?

Unsourced claims are clearly the territory of the denier-fearmongers.

Even a gorilla like me knows how to use sci-hub ;)

Fantastic claims as in pretending to be a medical professional.

Did you not read Dian Fossey? Gorilla groups frequently have a “caretaker” or “healer” of the sick and wounded... or what you might call a “medical professional.”