Harambe wrote:
This new study needs to be carefully weighed against the imaginary long term risk of vaccines.
COVID is serious and causes long term damage, but the vaccines might possibly do the same if I dream up enough fantasy mechanisms.
Yes.
Hank Aaron, Marvin Hagler, DMX...all imaginary deaths from the short term effects of the vaccine.
Long term. Could be a real horror show
This goes to show why you have to do everything within your power to aviod getting the virus. The government and media has told us again that wearing a mask,social distancing and getting the vaccine are critical in the prevention of covid-19. Althrough these things are important, hardly anyone empathized the importance of being physically active, having a healthy diet and getting enough sleep in the prevention of covid-19. Although many underestimate their power, these little things play a big role strengthening the immune system and decreasing the risk of adverse outcomes from covid-19. For example, obesity is a huge commodity for covid-19. With the rise of the covid-19 virus, now more than ever was the time to facilitate peoples' agency to make and maintain the diatary and physical activity habits necessary to get to a healthy weight. However, many people did not receive sufficient encouragement and opportunities to make these changes necessary to better manage and prevent obesity and other commodities diseases such as diabetes. Unfortunately, this has resulted in deaths from covid-19 and permanent physiological disability that would not happened otherwise with preventive measures.
Also as an collegic runner, I would come across teammates who were getting sick all the time. In all of these cases, these athetes were getting barely any sleep, were poorly managing their stress and/or had a diet comprised of mostly processed foods. From there, it came to me as an athete that eating a whole foods diet with sufficient caloric intake, sleeping for 8+ hours a night and taking a chill attitude were the keys to avoiding getting sick. If do all those things, I never get sick. Not even when doing 60+ miles/week with cross training, as some individuals would claim that all this heavy training is wearing out my immune system.
jazzytherunner wrote:
...hardly anyone empathized the importance of being physically active, having a healthy diet and getting enough sleep in the prevention of covid-19. Although many underestimate their power, these little things play a big role strengthening the immune system and decreasing the risk of adverse outcomes from covid-19. For example, obesity is a huge commodity for covid-19.
...However, many people did not receive sufficient encouragement and opportunities to make these changes
... Unfortunately, this has resulted in deaths from covid-19.
We have known for over a year that obesity, sedentary lifestyles, and low vitamin D levels increase the risk of getting COVID 19 and the risk of hospitalization and death.
In spite of this knowledge, US public health leaders have done NOTHING to encourage people to strengthen their own immune systems. Meanwhile, they exercise, maintain a healthy weight AND TAKE VITAMIN D themselves.
The arrogance of public health leadership is appalling and has led to countless unnecessary deaths.
How many lives might have been saved from cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and yes, COVID-19 if Fauci, Birx, et al had just said this every single day for the past year?
"And in addition to social distancing and wearing a mask, use this time to exercise, lose weight, and take vitamin D3. These steps will improve your likelihood of not dying or being hospitalized if you should get COVID-19.... and exercise and losing weight will help prevent many other potentially life-threatening conditions. We don't know yet if vitamin D really helps, but it might and FDA clinical trials on vitamin D are underway right now."
Precious Roy wrote:
People have been sounding this alarm for almost a year now. From very early on, scientist realized that COVID 19 was not a respiratory virus. It is a vascular virus. And from very early on, COVID deniers have been focusing on fatality rates because they knew that the virus was very dangerous for people who were able to survive it.
Shame on public health officials for not being more direct about the dangers of COVID 19 beyond death and hospitalization. The messaging from very early on should have been that this is a dangerous virus, period. You do not want to get it at all. Instead, public health officials succumbed to political pressure and focused on trying to assess risk and by implication gave certain age groups a green light to go out and get exposed. That was a huge mistake.
I know a collegiate soccer player who had to quit after getting myocarditis through a COVID 19 infection. She now has to go in for regular heart monitoring for the rest of her life and will never be able to play soccer again. I know a professional chef who has been without her sense of smell and taste for eight months. She is having to go to physical therapy to try to retrain her sense of taste and smell and is pretty much worthless in the kitchen right now. I know a college professor who is on his sixth month of medical leave after getting COVID. He has brain fog and difficulty breathing. He had severe scarring from pneumonia from COVID and spent a week in the hospital. All of these people were perfectly healthy and age ranged from 20 to late 30s.
COVID 19 is the terrorist of infectious diseases. You cannot negotiate with it. You have to eliminate it. Every country that has taken anything short of an elimination approach has seen COVID come roaring back time and time again and only mutate to be more contagious and dangerous.
Yeah, just make up any old sh!t, why not?
Precious Roy wrote:
People have been sounding this alarm for almost a year now. From very early on, scientist realized that COVID 19 was not a respiratory virus. It is a vascular virus. And from very early on, COVID deniers have been focusing on fatality rates because they knew that the virus was very dangerous for people who were able to survive it.
Shame on public health officials for not being more direct about the dangers of COVID 19 beyond death and hospitalization. The messaging from very early on should have been that this is a dangerous virus, period. You do not want to get it at all. Instead, public health officials succumbed to political pressure and focused on trying to assess risk and by implication gave certain age groups a green light to go out and get exposed. That was a huge mistake.
I know a collegiate soccer player who had to quit after getting myocarditis through a COVID 19 infection. She now has to go in for regular heart monitoring for the rest of her life and will never be able to play soccer again. I know a professional chef who has been without her sense of smell and taste for eight months. She is having to go to physical therapy to try to retrain her sense of taste and smell and is pretty much worthless in the kitchen right now. I know a college professor who is on his sixth month of medical leave after getting COVID. He has brain fog and difficulty breathing. He had severe scarring from pneumonia from COVID and spent a week in the hospital. All of these people were perfectly healthy and age ranged from 20 to late 30s.
COVID 19 is the terrorist of infectious diseases. You cannot negotiate with it. You have to eliminate it. Every country that has taken anything short of an elimination approach has seen COVID come roaring back time and time again and only mutate to be more contagious and dangerous.
You cannot prevent the virus from taking hold. It will eventually form variants and it will affect most or all at some point. Only thing you can do to avoid getting the virus is keep people in underground bunkers where they can spend the rest of their lives. This virus, like many others is airborne and its going to attach itself to you in some way at some point. Best thing is to keep healthy and figure out the most effective treatments.
DanM wrote:
The J&J vaccine will be restarted - with a warning.
Hey, take this shot. There's only a tiny chance it will give you fatal blood clots.
Orwellian effed up depravity. Welcome to the brave new world.
sounds very low risk for women. almost no risk for men. just give it to men. no fatal blood clots.
The Unkle wrote:
https://learntherisk.org/vaccines/
I haven't had an injection. I got ill in early 2018. Several of us did. Something was going round.
What we breath in terms of pollution, dust and chemical vapors is my biggest fear.
Dunno why anyone would willingly inject themselves with this stuff.
Actually I guess I do.
Fear and propaganda.
Harambe wrote:
This new study needs to be carefully weighed against the imaginary long term risk of vaccines.
COVID is serious and causes long term damage, but the vaccines might possibly do the same if I dream up enough fantasy mechanisms.
Bumping this up.
Funny that people use a thread about real long term risks from covid to fearmonger vaccines.
The last thing these deniers want is COVID to end.
Harambe wrote:
Harambe wrote:
This new study needs to be carefully weighed against the imaginary long term risk of vaccines.
COVID is serious and causes long term damage, but the vaccines might possibly do the same if I dream up enough fantasy mechanisms.
Bumping this up.
Funny that people use a thread about real long term risks from covid to fearmonger vaccines.
The last thing these deniers want is COVID to end.
Clinical insanity not the virus is your problem.
Yes that’s why the whole world has contracted Measles, SARS-1, and chicken pox???? Lmaoooo.
boom. wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
People have been sounding this alarm for almost a year now. From very early on, scientist realized that COVID 19 was not a respiratory virus. It is a vascular virus. And from very early on, COVID deniers have been focusing on fatality rates because they knew that the virus was very dangerous for people who were able to survive it.
Shame on public health officials for not being more direct about the dangers of COVID 19 beyond death and hospitalization. The messaging from very early on should have been that this is a dangerous virus, period. You do not want to get it at all. Instead, public health officials succumbed to political pressure and focused on trying to assess risk and by implication gave certain age groups a green light to go out and get exposed. That was a huge mistake.
I know a collegiate soccer player who had to quit after getting myocarditis through a COVID 19 infection. She now has to go in for regular heart monitoring for the rest of her life and will never be able to play soccer again. I know a professional chef who has been without her sense of smell and taste for eight months. She is having to go to physical therapy to try to retrain her sense of taste and smell and is pretty much worthless in the kitchen right now. I know a college professor who is on his sixth month of medical leave after getting COVID. He has brain fog and difficulty breathing. He had severe scarring from pneumonia from COVID and spent a week in the hospital. All of these people were perfectly healthy and age ranged from 20 to late 30s.
COVID 19 is the terrorist of infectious diseases. You cannot negotiate with it. You have to eliminate it. Every country that has taken anything short of an elimination approach has seen COVID come roaring back time and time again and only mutate to be more contagious and dangerous.
You cannot prevent the virus from taking hold. It will eventually form variants and it will affect most or all at some point. Only thing you can do to avoid getting the virus is keep people in underground bunkers where they can spend the rest of their lives. This virus, like many others is airborne and its going to attach itself to you in some way at some point. Best thing is to keep healthy and figure out the most effective treatments.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
Just going to point out the obvious. Considering the majority of healthy people don't have symptoms and many never even know if they get COVID those people aren't going to be included in this study. So if you aren't including the healthiest slice of the population who was asymptomatic and only including people who had COVID symptoms and as a whole were likely less healthy it is not surprising that the unhealthy group would be at higher risk of death. If the healthy people who never knew they had COVID were to be included it would drive down the risk of long-term health issues.
Do you not understand how science works? The test group would be compared to a control population with similar characteristics. It stated that "the research was based on records of patients in the Department of Veterans Affairs health system".
Of course, that doesn't tell us much, which is why people should attempt to read the original study, rather than rely on some reporter to interpret. Did the researchers control for age, chronic conditions, obesity, etc.? Assuming they did, this is a large sample and the implications are pretty sobering.
STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^"""""""" wrote:
Ya know, China obviously has a population problem, so much so that they made a law that people can't have more than one or two kids. Now, this virus was likely created in a lab in China. Their government is known for their abrupt disregard for humans and human life at the expense of the regime. This virus is probably some long term population curbing experiment by them. The fact that the vaccines may cause infertility also backs that theory up.
The fact that you may be a retarded earthworm renders your entire post worthless.
The Unkle wrote:
I am far more concerned about the long term effects of these vaccines.
OMG, you're on to US.
WE're out to get YOU!
You can run but you'll never be able to hide.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
DanM wrote:
The J&J vaccine will be restarted - with a warning.
Hey, take this shot. There's only a tiny chance it will give you fatal blood clots.
Orwellian effed up depravity. Welcome to the brave new world.
You do know that the risk of blood clots from the J&J vaccine is 10x lower than the risk of blood clots from being on the pill, right?
You also know that the risk of blood clots from COVID itself is far higher than the risk of blood clots from the J&J vaccine, right?
Right?
Real Obvi wrote:
DanM wrote:
The J&J vaccine will be restarted - with a warning.
Hey, take this shot. There's only a tiny chance it will give you fatal blood clots.
Orwellian effed up depravity. Welcome to the brave new world.
You do know that the risk of blood clots from the J&J vaccine is 10x lower than the risk of blood clots from being on the pill, right?
You also know that the risk of blood clots from COVID itself is far higher than the risk of blood clots from the J&J vaccine, right?
Right?
Yes he knows but he wants attention on LRC
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03553-9_reference.pdftrashcan wrote:
I don’t have access to the times on my phone. Do you have a link to the journal article it references? Generally speaking though, was seen as a micro vascular disease of inflammation and thrombosis, it would not surprise me that even a mild degree of microvascular disease could produce an increase in long-term risk. Those risks would be distributed throughout the body, and may contribute the the post Covid “brain fog” some experience.
arroyo wrote:
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
Just going to point out the obvious. Considering the majority of healthy people don't have symptoms and many never even know if they get COVID those people aren't going to be included in this study. So if you aren't including the healthiest slice of the population who was asymptomatic and only including people who had COVID symptoms and as a whole were likely less healthy it is not surprising that the unhealthy group would be at higher risk of death. If the healthy people who never knew they had COVID were to be included it would drive down the risk of long-term health issues.
Do you not understand how science works? The test group would be compared to a control population with similar characteristics. It stated that "the research was based on records of patients in the Department of Veterans Affairs health system".
Of course, that doesn't tell us much, which is why people should attempt to read the original study, rather than rely on some reporter to interpret. Did the researchers control for age, chronic conditions, obesity, etc.? Assuming they did, this is a large sample and the implications are pretty sobering.
What you say is not sufficient. Of course you can, and should, control for observables (like age, other medical conditions that are recorded in their system, etc.), but in general there's always UNobserved heterogeneity that by definition you CANNOT control for in observational studies. Thus, we DO NOT KNOW whether covid-19 caused this adverse long-term outcomes OR the group with covid-19 was more unhealthy to begin with (even conditional on the characteristics we see in the dataset).
This is why, for example, to test the Covid-19 vaccine, they randomized people into the vaccine group and the placebo group. This randomization, the gold standard of science, is of course impossible when it comes to the question at hand.
Chance of death is 100%.
How does Covid increase this?
Yes COVID-19 is some serious sh*t. But most of LetsRun treats it like it’s just the flu and avoids the vaccine... smh makes no sense