Kiptoo/Kurgat vs Hocker/Teare in Loaded Men's 5k @ Oregon Relays (4/23)

As good as these guys look and as good as the Bowerman guys look can’t wait until the Olympics. Then we will see how US runners match up with the best in the world

seasoned ranker wrote:

asdc wrote:

If I were to guess, they’re going after the Olympic Standard which is 13:13.5. I have a feeling Hocker and Teare are just going to sit on the Iowa state duo and make a big move with a k or 800 to go. I think sub 13:10 is possible. When Cooper teare and Cole Hocker are in the same race, special things happen.

I’m going to be that Teare and Hocker don’t both run 13:0x. Really going out on a limb.

I’m a genius.

under a bridge wrote:

under a bridge wrote:

I'll go with 0.

Wow what do I win?

Lol at dumbarses predicting sub13:10.

it went about what I thought. 64 to 65 all laps then a 56 closer

under a bridge wrote:

under a bridge wrote:

I'll go with 0.

Wow what do I win?

Lol at dumbarses predicting sub13:10.

How about a ribbon for tooting your own horn?

owodjdniwhdbd wrote:

under a bridge wrote:

Wow what do I win?

Lol at dumbarses predicting sub13:10.

How about a ribbon for tooting your own horn?

I’ll gladly take a ribbon for the easiest proclamation ever.

clivecussler wrote:

So this is what, a 13:30 without super spikes? Unimpressive.

Exactly. We still haven't adjusted expectations to the super shoe era

michiganrunner55 wrote:

As good as these guys look and as good as the Bowerman guys look can’t wait until the Olympics. Then we will see how US runners match up with the best in the world

Rupp is the only one who figured out how to beat them at 10k. These guys got no shot against Kiplimo, Cheptegei, etc. unless the race is real slow.

Kiplimo an 12:48 at 19 yo.

If Teare and Hocker were truly going after the Olympic standard then Cooper should be pretty upset with Iowa State and Cole. Pacers dropped off early and they left him to pace the last mile like it was a championship race. Congrats on the Oregon Relays win Cole. Nobody has the standard from that race now. Every man for himself I guess.

Henry Rono (13:08) & Lawi Lalang (13:08i, 13:00 summer) are the only college athletes in history ever to break 13:10 in the 5k. In fact, they are the only two collegians ever to run under the current 13:13.50 Oly standard.

Tonight's Drake & Oregon Relays 5k college results were fantastic and historically significant.

However, even with "super spikes" on modern tracks in perfect weather conditions, the Oly standard could not be reached.

Underscores how incredible Rono & Lalang were in their prime.

Also, further underscores just how far removed even the best collegians are from America's top pros who have run 12:58 -> 13:13.50 since 2019.

At least in the 5k, no college guy is going to make it to Tokyo this summer.

Bower Man iV wrote:

At least in the 5k, no college guy is going to make it to Tokyo this summer.

I am not sure you understand the sport. Are you aware that the Olympic Trials results are NOT predetermined by personal bests? Championship races are often unpredictable. Neither is that far off the Olympic standard.

Bower Man iV wrote:

Henry Rono (13:08) & Lawi Lalang (13:08i, 13:00 summer) are the only college athletes in history ever to break 13:10 in the 5k. In fact, they are the only two collegians ever to run under the current 13:13.50 Oly standard.

Tonight's Drake & Oregon Relays 5k college results were fantastic and historically significant.

However, even with "super spikes" on modern tracks in perfect weather conditions, the Oly standard could not be reached.

Underscores how incredible Rono & Lalang were in their prime.

Also, further underscores just how far removed even the best collegians are from America's top pros who have run 12:58 -> 13:13.50 since 2019.

At least in the 5k, no college guy is going to make it to Tokyo this summer.

With better pacing the top 4 could’ve hit the standard or at least been very close. Teare ran 13:17 months ago and has improved significantly since then. No disrespect to Rono or Lalang, but one race doesn’t prove the current guys can’t post similar times.

You’re right that no college guy will be making it to Tokyo in the 5k, however.

not there yet wrote:

"I would say this is quite interesting. First, McDonald & Knight have not beaten Klecker in a 5000 and there's no way they would. Second, how is someone not world class if there's only 10 guys on the planet running faster than you? You mention running sub 13 consistently makes you world class, well I don't know of anyone that does. Most DL races finish between 13:00-13:10. Similar for championships. I guess there is no one world class? "

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Seen with neutral glasses from the other side of the Atlantic:

Joe Klecker is not world class yet! Nobody knows him in Europe (Apart from some "specialists as myself).

Faster active runners from the top of my head:

Cheptegei, Jacob Kiplimo, Kipruto, Nicolas Kimeli, Kamworor, Jacob Krop, Kibiwott Kandie, Eliud Kipchoge, Keneniesa Bekele, Edris, Kejelcha, Barega, Haile Bekele, Gebhriwet, Mo Farah, Marc Scott, Mo Ahmed, Andy Butchardt, Crippa, Jakob I, Kincaid, Fisher, Sean McGorthy, Paul Chelimo, Lopez Lomong, McSweyn.

I think there are be more, especially from East Africa where there are some youngsters who could have break throughs.

I can't believe how quickly uncritical this LRC recap is of the times

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2021/04/teenage-dreams-18-year-old-nico-young-runs-1324-19-year-old-cole-hocker-runs-1319/

It's all glowing praise about the future of US distance running, and the historically good times, completely ignoring the contributions of the shoes. Compare to how easily LRC dismissed the women's HM WR a couple of weeks ago because of the shoes.

The shoes are worth, conservatively, 10 seconds over a 5k so Hocker ran 13:30 and Young 13:34 in old money. Solid times but nothing to get too excited about. Part of the reason for this is that there haven't been many 5k races over the last year. As we run up to the Olympics and people race more, we're going to see just how ordinary a 13:20 is right now and just how high the bar is being raised by the shoes. I bet the OQT for 2024 is raised to at least 13:05

Tea and cr. wrote:

"Very fast times.

To have four guys running that fast in the NCAA is amazing.

What is insane is the number of people posting expectations of sub 13:10 who have no idea how fast sub 13:10 is."

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Of course it is very fast times for collegians but they still have some ground to cover to cope with the best young runners:

See 17 year old Jakob winning the European Championships in 13:17 after front running the last 1400m. Last lap in 54 and last 200m in 26:50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVBQ2L4YMsM&t=499s

And there are much faster young East Africans (if their age can be trusted).

Tea and crumpets wrote:

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Also add in the NAU guys (including Luis), the BYU guys, maybe some Notre Dame guys too. Should be a ridiculous 5k at NCAAs.

And yeah, no way anyone's running sub 13:10 without a generous BTC pacing job.

Running fast distance times in April seldom bodes well come June at NCAA’s.

My sense is... a lot of the guys running fast now will be gassed come June and races will be slow and tactical.

considering this isnt even a PB for coop I dont think he (or even some of the others) went as hard as you think they did. imo they are getting ready for sub 13:15.

Hocker just misses Rudy Chapa's 13:19.22 Indiana (HS alumni) 5000 record set in 1979.

Dave

I remember that bowerman time trial when Centro and Kincaid dropped 20+ seconds off of their PB was perfectly paced by Mo Ahmed for 4600 meters.

I’m confident that all 4 would’ve been under the Olympic standard if they had a pacer that could take them through 4600 meters in position to break the standard. 8:04 3k just wasn’t gonna set up well for the standard. Idk why Neil Gourley was pacing them through 2k before West took over. His 3k/5k Pb is only 8:05/14:02.

I thought Kiptoo would be more aggressive after the pacer,James West, dropped off but he wasn’t. As a result he finished 4th and his lack of closing speed was exposed.

Is Hocker allergic to leading a race or something ... ?

I get that you can sit and kick in a championship race, but in a race to chase a time? I'd be kind of annoying if I lead my teammate for the last 5 mins of a 5k and then he just passes me at the line ...