Let's Run is Transphobic

I also think as humans, we're all a little "faked in the head" in one way or another.

Sham 69 wrote:

And then there's also guys like me who start from 4:30.

You wouldn't do such a thing. Why do you think others would?

Agreed, Letsrun as a whole and most posters are transphobic. Trans individuals are not "mentally ill", they should have every right to compete against the gender they identify with as long as they meet specified criteria.

I don't think most posters actually know how hard it is to be allowed to compete at the NCAA or professional level as a trans athlete. This is not "men just jumping into a women's race", these people take hormone treatments, etc. and across the board have a decrease in athletic performance - in almost all cases to about what their equivalent performances are before treatment.

Eugene Bound wrote:

I don't think most posters actually know how hard it is to be allowed to compete at the NCAA or professional level as a trans athlete. This is not "men just jumping into a women's race", these people take hormone treatments, etc. and across the board have a decrease in athletic performance - in almost all cases to about what their equivalent performances are before treatment.

most posters here can't compete in the NCAA - even prior to hormone treatments

Good for "HIM"!

"HIS" family and friends must be so proud of an amazing accomplishment of beating a group of girls. Hmmm...I wonder how that testosterone suppression treatment is working? Evidently not too well. :(

Well Done!

Thank you for this.

This issue obviously affects the females who end up competing against biological males. The integrity of the boys races is also affected, if less obviously and dramatically than the girls. This affects the males running in boys races whose effort and times are compared to one standard, while males running against girls gain accolades and status based on an entirely different standard.

A person taking this position could also be transphobic, but I contend that this argument in itself is not transphobic. As some thoughtful posters have acknowledged, a transgender girl should have the right to identify as a girl -- which is her gender -- and be treated justly in her life.

Social identity is related to gender, which is fluid; athletic advantage is connected to sex hormones, which do not change when one chooses to identify the other gender. When it comes to competition, one should be able to legitimately argue without being accused of bigotry that that transgender girl (biologically male in terms of sex hormones) should not compete against biological females

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Sham 69 wrote:

And then there's also guys like me who start from 4:30.

You wouldn't do such a thing. Why do you think others would?

Others wouldn't, but what if Leo Daschbach took hormone suppressors for a year and then competed as Leah? Would that be right? I don't think so.

It only takes one person to ruin it.

And the other trans who aren't up to Leo's speed are taking spots away from real women, those who were born female.

Even if trans continue to make up a small minority in women's sports, they will always be superior to a real woman, so it's not fair to let them compete as women.

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

Yep, totally agree that letsrun is transphobic. The idea of fairness for women's sports is simply a smokescreen for inherent bias. When you take a sort of blanket stance regarding trans people in sports, it puts you on the side of the some pretty gnarly people (religious fundamentalists, far right, general hateful bigots). Not a good look for letsrun.

Classic "Far Left" ideology: Attack anyone who voices an opinion they don't agree with by labeling them, racist, transphobic, etc...

Always the victim.

:(

Sham 69 wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

You wouldn't do such a thing. Why do you think others would?

Others wouldn't, but what if Leo Daschbach took hormone suppressors for a year and then competed as Leah? Would that be right? I don't think so.

It only takes one person to ruin it.

And the other trans who aren't up to Leo's speed are taking spots away from real women, those who were born female.

Even if trans continue to make up a small minority in women's sports, they will always be superior to a real woman, so it's not fair to let them compete as women.

Leo wouldn't do that in a million years.

Sham 69 wrote:

It only takes one person to ruin it.

Eugene Bound wrote:

Agreed, Letsrun as a whole and most posters are transphobic. Trans individuals are not "mentally ill", they should have every right to compete against the gender they identify with as long as they meet specified criteria.

I don't think most posters actually know how hard it is to be allowed to compete at the NCAA or professional level as a trans athlete. This is not "men just jumping into a women's race", these people take hormone treatments, etc. and across the board have a decrease in athletic performance - in almost all cases to about what their equivalent performances are before treatment.

Not true about the hormone treatments, especially under the current rules.

No one has the right to compete in sports. Trans individuals should be able to identify as they choose though.

Jedsdead wrote:

One of the worst parts of this post is how you attack people for disagreeing...just because people want to see fairness across sports you start throwing claims of discrimination, transphobe etc etc. Most people and posts on this site are not making transphobic comments...rather they are trying to ensure a fair and level playing field.

I am firmly in this camp. I have no issues with ensuring trans-people have equal rights across the board....but allowing 'born men' to compete against 'born-women' is completely unfair. To give a comparison, this would essentially be like saying...well why can't a heavyweight boxer compete against middleweights....it's would be discriminatory and fat-shaming to not allow it...who cares about the physical advantages...

That's not discrimination, it's common sense.

Anyway, I truly feel sorry for the female athletes who are being screwed over by this.

End of thread.

Think of your brain as a computer program. It thinks the way it does due to past experiences and in some cases past trauma. The people who had traumatic childhood experiences understandably have some problems, not necessarily their fault but these problems usually manifest into a plethora of other problems. Again, computer program analogy. So true.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Can you name a single transgender female competing in NCAA womens distance running? Or in any sport? "Virtually none at all" is more accurate than "so many".

We have never heard of most of them, because they are so unremarkable as athletes.

For example, I wouldn't have guessed this D3 volleyball player was trans if she had not come out.

Of course it's transphobic. Goes well with its racism and misogyny.

triple threat wrote:

Of course it's transphobic. Goes well with its racism and misogyny.

You want to throw any other baseless claims of “isms” or “phobias” out while you are here?

I don’t think anyone here is scared of trans people. They cannot hurt me. I am however worried about the biological females like those in Connecticut who were cheated out of a state championship because a person with male equipment decided to race against them.

trans women shouldn't be allowed in women competition, this phrase isn't transphobic, its basic common sense and respect to women. to the trans people, pls don't victimized yourself when people disagree with trans women being in women competition and fight to remain women competitions only for women ..

CALLING OUT TRANS WOMEN TO STOP VICTIMIZING THEMSELVES OVER THIS MATTER, THE REAL VICTIM ARE THE WOMEN WHO'S GONNA FACE MEN AT COMPETITIONS ONCE THIS BIZZARE LAWS ARE PASSED