Let's Run is Transphobic

There is no such thing as transphobia since there are only two genders: Male (having a penis and testes) and female (having a vagina and ovaries).

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Sham 69 wrote:

That's a good excuse for me to hop in girls' state and win.

I got the impression you were a mediocre runner. Was I mistaken and you really could win at the state level against girls? I might have gotten you confused with David45.

4:30 miler and low 10 minute guy.

Raddissonnn is Coevett. He is also Ex - Runner, The Spade Detector, etc. He is mentally ill and we should respect that. Hopefully he has the support he needs.

"Radisson", "ex-runner", "spade detector", are genuine posters, by the way.

Yep, totally agree that letsrun is transphobic. The idea of fairness for women's sports is simply a smokescreen for inherent bias. When you take a sort of blanket stance regarding trans people in sports, it puts you on the side of the some pretty gnarly people (religious fundamentalists, far right, general hateful bigots). Not a good look for letsrun.

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

When you take a sort of blanket stance regarding trans people in sports, it puts you on the side of the some pretty gnarly people (religious fundamentalists, far right, general hateful bigots). Not a good look for letsrun.

Being able to identify as whatever you want is a completely different situation to competing in whatever you want. A biological male identifying as a female? Do you. That's your journey. But that should not give you permission to participate in the gender-division of your choosing.

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

Yep, totally agree that letsrun is transphobic. The idea of fairness for women's sports is simply a smokescreen for inherent bias. When you take a sort of blanket stance regarding trans people in sports, it puts you on the side of the some pretty gnarly people (religious fundamentalists, far right, general hateful bigots). Not a good look for letsrun.

If you believe that the sun is hot, you are also on the same side as religious fundamentalists. As for me, I'm not about to allow the blood, sweat, and tears of the hard working young ladies on my team to all be for naught in order to cater to a tiny minority with a mental illness. If that makes me transphobic, I'll proudly wear the label. Send me a shirt so emblazoned and I will wear it constantly.

I think any guy should be able to eat a bunch of pizza, drink beers, grow man boobs and be considered a trans athlete and be able to compete against women, as long as they wear a sports bra.

Ncaa ruler wrote:

There are two on my colkege team. The NCAA is unaware because they identify as women.

Right. Why would your coach allow them to compete? If he he/she doesn't know, why are you keeping it a secret?

I don't think people labeled as "transphobic" are actually afraid of transgender people. I think they have personal moral, religious, scientific, and/or political/policy beliefs that are different from those held by transgender people and those who support transgender people. In particular, I believe there are differences of opinion with respect to athletic competition that have nothing to do with fear. Just because a person doesn't approve of something doesn't mean they fear it. The use of the suffix "phobic" is a cheap and intellectually weak political ploy used to devalue or dismiss the opinions of those who disagree with you.

Sham 69 wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I got the impression you were a mediocre runner. Was I mistaken and you really could win at the state level against girls? I might have gotten you confused with David45.

4:30 miler and low 10 minute guy.

Decent times. Out here in California, those times would be an easy win in the 1600 and top 5 in the 3200. Maybe with an increase in mileage, you could pull off the double.

He knows but doesn't really know. Is he supposed to accuse two women as being men? He is a good guy and a smart guy who likes his job.

Ncaa ruler wrote:

He knows but doesn't really know. Is he supposed to accuse two women as being men? He is a good guy and a smart guy who likes his job.

If he Googles their names, ishe going to find times for them as girls? If they are merely self identifying, they are not on hormone treatments. Do they have 5 O'Clock shadows, deep voices and race in baggy shorts?

No, he's a dumb guy that's risking his job by breaking NCAA rules. If he kicks them off the team and they file a grievance, the burden would be on them to prove they are women.

It's a myth that a guy can self-identify and no one can do anything about it.

"{S}ex assigned at birth" - please stop. Sex is observed and recognized at birth. If there is an apparent ambiguity, observation of the chromosomes resolves the ambiguity.

Yes, these are deeply, tragically troubled people. We should not enable or support their self-deception.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Sham 69 wrote:

That's a good excuse for me to hop in girls' state and win.

I got the impression you were a mediocre runner. Was I mistaken and you really could win at the state level against girls? I might have gotten you confused with David45.

A mediocre male high school runner would win most state meets in the female division, that’s why many find men competing against women ridiculous.

A 4:45 1600m for a high school boy might get you an outside shot of qualifying to the state meet for the absolute weakest distance running states. A 4:45 1600m for a female high school miler makes you a legend, wins you national titles and gets you a full ride to any college you like.

An expert in how the human brain works and how it responds to trauma and chemically changes over time in people who"ve experienced childhood trauma would understand that transgenderism is a mental illness (not trying to stigmatize it because I want people to get help if needed). These people need help, that's all. Theyre human and deserve time and respect. If they've "found happiness," it's because the coping mechanism used (becoming trans) has changed their life for the better according to their own personal perception--because they've in their mind ran away from what they were, but these past trauma still linger deep down in them psycologically amd could resurrect at any time in various forms and also generally heed a plethora of others problems.

The problem with trans people isn’t necessary their sexual preference(which I couldn’t care less about) it’s that they’re typically completely f***ed in the head and the transgender thing is just ONE of the ways this manifests.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I got the impression you were a mediocre runner. Was I mistaken and you really could win at the state level against girls? I might have gotten you confused with David45.

A mediocre male high school runner would win most state meets in the female division, that’s why many find men competing against women ridiculous.

A 4:45 1600m for a high school boy might get you an outside shot of qualifying to the state meet for the absolute weakest distance running states. A 4:45 1600m for a female high school miler makes you a legend, wins you national titles and gets you a full ride to any college you like.

More of a villain than a legend and they wouldn't be eligible for NCAA sports unless they had already completed a year of hormone treatments. If he had already done the hormone treatments, a guy that runs 4:45 will be well north of 5:00 after transitioning.

And then there's also guys like me who start from 4:30.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Raddissonnn wrote:

Appear to be so many trans people these days, isn't the best solution to just have your own sports competitions instead of muscling in on biological women's?

Can you name a single transgender female competing in NCAA womens distance running? Or in any sport? "Virtually none at all" is more accurate than "so many".

Not currently competing but "June" Eastwood ran for University of Montana for half a year before covid ended her senior year. You're right though it is still an extremely rare occurrence. She talks about how testosterone suppresion affected her

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