BOMBSHELL in Chauvin Trial Today.

Driver 8 wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Has there ever been a successful, "He would have died anyway" defense?

Maybe. I don’t know. But that’s not the defense or the argument here, and most posters, unlike you, are bright enough to understand that.

OK. What is the defense or argument here? Proving that Floyd died of a drug overdose and that Chauvin putting his knee on his neck for 9 minutes had nothing to do with his death is a not going to happen.

Rick Sanchez wrote:

If the officer believes he said he ate too many drugs, why aren't they treating him? Instead of dragging him out of the car and taking him to the ground?

I’m going to use my incredible powers of deduction and predict that there will be more new video released during the trial that shows EXACTLY how a calm, routine situation ended up with Floyd on the ground with four cops sitting on top of him. I predict that something (as opposed to nothing) triggered this change of treatment, and that we will learn what it was soon.

Stay tuned...

Bad Wigins wrote:

He OD'd, that's what he died of, and no amount of collective ignorance can change that.

Wait for the medical experts on drug overdoses to get their chance. Just about everyone who knows anything about this has been rolling their eyes for the better part of a year.

Wigins, you are objectively wrong. The doctors that performed both autopsies ARE the medical experts.

Any “medical expert” that is going to be hired from this case from here on out is going to be unethically biased.

You really have no right to be calling anyone ignorant here. Both autopsies were performed to medical/scientific standard, and both concluded that the death was a homicide, not an overdose.

Wigins, to me, you seem to be too politically biased to accept facts, so instead of accepting them you deflect and accuse those you disagree with of doing the same thing. I don’t know if you feel you are responsible to side with Chauvin due to your political alignment, but doing so with the reasoning you have so far displayed makes you the ignorant one, not those that disagree with you.

birdbeard wrote:

Driver 8 wrote:

Because the defense theory is thatFloyd ODed.

and several autopsies disprove that

And several do!

Both tribes are. Hence, here we are.

poor innocent guy wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

and several autopsies disprove that

And several do!

Nope. There were 2 autopsies performed and both ruled the death a homicide. Once again, Objectively incorrect.

Agreed. I genuinely hate the fact that people politicize matters like these.

It’s obvious Chauvin didn’t mean to kill Floyd, he seems to have had a lapse in judgement in an adrenaline filled and high stress moment. Clearly not murder but probably manslaughter.

wafflecopter wrote:

Well certainly if Floyd told them that he ate too many drugs then the most prudent course of action was to kneel on his neck for nine minutes, event after he passed out.

Except he didn't specify what type of drugs. If he was on meth (which he was), cocaine or PCP and was going to go crazy on people, then putting him in a knee restraint is a prudent course of action. Would you really want a muscular individual that is 6" taller and 40 lbs heavier than you going buck wild (hand-cuffed or not).

comedyre1i3f wrote:

wafflecopter wrote:

Well certainly if Floyd told them that he ate too many drugs then the most prudent course of action was to kneel on his neck for nine minutes, event after he passed out.

Except he didn't specify what type of drugs. If he was on meth (which he was), cocaine or PCP and was going to go crazy on people, then putting him in a knee restraint is a prudent course of action. Would you really want a muscular individual that is 6" taller and 40 lbs heavier than you going buck wild (hand-cuffed or not).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o2H6xWa2gY

So did they ask what kind of drugs he was on? Was that while they were kneeling on him? Before or after he passed out?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

OK. What is the defense or argument here? Proving that Floyd died of a drug overdose and that Chauvin putting his knee on his neck for 9 minutes had nothing to do with his death is a not going to happen.

You don't have to "prove" you are innocent in America. They have to prove Chauvin is guilty, and it looks like they will fail to do so.

* wrote:

Sounds like a reasonable excuse to kill a man.

Rather, a good reason to revise your belief that he was deliberately killed.

CopperRunner wrote:

Watta BumScag wrote:

Calling people names takes a big man. It shows character!!!

I hope you know this comment was 100% sarcasm. Sarcasm can be hard to convey online but if you see my other posts I like making fun of people that actually talk like this :)

The irony of this comment is that there’s already been 2 autopsies disproving that he OD’d and ruled it a homicide so it’s funny when chauvin worshipers keep hammering the fact that Floyd overdosed and constantly drag on his character to make it look like he deserved it.

My bad. No worries!!!

Agreed. The twisting of logic is beyond ridiculous but I guess they really have no better strategy. Sadly, it only takes 1 of those types on the jury and he walks.

Clown World Resident wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

OK. What is the defense or argument here? Proving that Floyd died of a drug overdose and that Chauvin putting his knee on his neck for 9 minutes had nothing to do with his death is a not going to happen.

You don't have to "prove" you are innocent in America. They have to prove Chauvin is guilty, and it looks like they will fail to do so.

Do you really believe Chauvin will be fully acquitted? It's not murder 1 but him being convicted of 2nd degree is likely. Manslaughter is the best he can hope for.

You're defending him, but would you have kept your knee on someone's neck while he's claiming he can't breathe and for another 2-3 minutes after your partner said he couldn't find a pulse?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Clown World Resident wrote:

You don't have to "prove" you are innocent in America. They have to prove Chauvin is guilty, and it looks like they will fail to do so.

Do you really believe Chauvin will be fully acquitted? It's not murder 1 but him being convicted of 2nd degree is likely. Manslaughter is the best he can hope for.

You're defending him, but would you have kept your knee on someone's neck while he's claiming he can't breathe and for another 2-3 minutes after your partner said he couldn't find a pulse?

I would take the knee off IMMEDIATELY if he said I can't breathe, But my Mental History (Been in Mental Hospitals 19 times from 3-6 Months each, And I have a Felony, That the judge said they had to give me to mandate Psychological Treatment.) but yeah probably just as well, I can't be a cop, if I get in one of those situations and someone calls me names like a racist and I have a gun on me They are dead on the spot, and I would be in jail or a Mental Hospital AGAIN, They don't let me have a gun neither, but if someone calls me names to my face I am going to try to knock them out, I would probably go to jail or a mental hospital AGAIN and I always hate it, but I will try to keep my dignity, that is all I really have left, they don't let me do anything anyway even if it is good intentioned.

At least I ran New York marathon in 1978, Wrestled at Oklahoma State and cal State Bakersfield, had lots of Amateur Boxing Matches, Sparred Roger Mayweather, Bruce and Don Curry, Engels Pedroza, Irleis Perez etc.

So I did some things so hell with the World, I am glad George Floyd is dead, I hope Chauvin goes to jail or a Mental Hospital so he can know what it feels like for the Whole World to be against him whether he tries to do good or bad, Hell With the Numerous Psychologists/ psychiatrists who failed me, and all the medicines that never worked That made me full of hate.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Clown World Resident wrote:

You don't have to "prove" you are innocent in America. They have to prove Chauvin is guilty, and it looks like they will fail to do so.

Do you really believe Chauvin will be fully acquitted? It's not murder 1 but him being convicted of 2nd degree is likely. Manslaughter is the best he can hope for.

You're defending him, but would you have kept your knee on someone's neck while he's claiming he can't breathe and for another 2-3 minutes after your partner said he couldn't find a pulse?

You clearly didn’t read the full elements of 2nd degree murder in the state of Minnesota. That law was mainly designed for drive by shootings.

runhealthy wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Do you really believe Chauvin will be fully acquitted? It's not murder 1 but him being convicted of 2nd degree is likely. Manslaughter is the best he can hope for.

You're defending him, but would you have kept your knee on someone's neck while he's claiming he can't breathe and for another 2-3 minutes after your partner said he couldn't find a pulse?

You clearly didn’t read the full elements of 2nd degree murder in the state of Minnesota. That law was mainly designed for drive by shootings.

I’m not sure that there is too much of a second degree murder case here. Second degree murder still involves intent to kill, and I don’t think Chauvin meant to kill Floyd, I think he as stated before acted stupidly in a high stress/adrenaline situation.

My vote is manslaughter.

I don't understand how this is a political issue, other than, this country is going downhill fast.

This is a bad cop who killed a guy. Simple as that.

wafflecopter wrote:

comedyre1i3f wrote:

[quote]wafflecopter wrote:

Well certainly if Floyd told them that he ate too many drugs then the most prudent course of action was to kneel on his neck for nine minutes, event after he passed out.

Except he didn't specify what type of drugs. /quote]

So did they ask what kind of drugs he was on? Was that while they were kneeling on him? Before or after he passed out?

They asked when he was still standing and he said "I ain't on nothing". But what else would you expect from a lifelong criminal. He lied about losing his mom, he lied about taking drugs, he lied about basically everything, so why would they take him at his word about anything?